Just when everything was going so well... (another tying up thread)

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Like, really well... long hack and stubble field gallop and schooling sessions with magical trot work...

Then today she tied up again. 🙁 I'm really upset because I'm.not entirely sure why and in the previous 2 tie ups the circumstances were exactly the same. This time was different and I'm not sure what to do now.

Previously it's been 2 or 3 days of no turnout and no work, just after clipping with possible underrugging followed by an explosive episode on the long lines. Today all that has really changed is getting slightly less turnout (been coming in daytime to try and limit autumn grass), slightly reduced work load (Not done as much trotting and she's has maybe 4 days off in the last 10, rather than the usual dayly work)... but there has been a sudden drop in temperature and increase in the wind. Very low feels like temps last night and only a lightweight rug on. Plus gave them some more grass last night to keep them busy as I forgot the battery for the energiser... so maybe too much grass?

She tied up on a hack today and we had to be rescued! Fortunately an angel in a horse wagon was available and several more people from the yard came to find us with a variety of rugs and assistance. All we has done was walk about 3 miles and go for a walk onto the beach. No cantering or anything. The beach might have been hard going though because the sand was on the deep side and she was spooking at waves. She felt odd as we got back on tarmac but we had a trot up the hill as I thought she'd just got stuffy (I don't know why I thought that, she's never stuffy). Top of the hill we stopped to let a car pass and then she had just locked up. Still walking but I knew for definite she was tying up. Got off and her muscles were solid and some were trembling and she was dripping in sweat and breathing hard.

It feels like this attack came much more out of the blue whereas previously I could see a build up to it with hindsight. So it concerns me.

Plan is to reintroduce work slowly after a week of rest, hand walking and some turnout. I have cleared this with my vet who was not set in checking muscle enzyme levels... seemed happy for me to use my judgement and previous protocol. I will up her vitamin E back to 10,000iu (had reduced to 5,000iu in spring). Start over-rugging her again. Shes not getting clipped! We've ordered some Alcar too to see if it helps.

Apart from the cold and the coming in during the day I started her on a bit of Magnesium and changed from Profeet powder to Profeet pellets. So I'm cutting them out for the time being.

Not sure whether to try to go back to 24 hour turnout to prioritise movement or whether to keep her in for hay and warmth (field has minimal shelter and grass in the throws of an autumn flush) and just turnout during the day (which means less turnout time esp if I want to work her in the daytime as well.) I am realising that the cold and the windchill are pretty big factors up here and also pretty big factors in her tie ups so leaning towards more shelter, less movement especially as she has a lovely big stable.

I will be getting the genetic test for PSSM1 done now that this has happened again but am not keen on putting her through a muscle biopsy.

Sorry for the head dump. It's been a hard day and now I've had whisky.
 
Thank you. I hope so too. I'm really upset because I feel like I've let her down by underestimating the cold. And it's distressing to see her tyed up as she's clearly in pain. I think at least I know now that cold is the major player as movement and diet haven't changed much. I'd rather get her out 24/7 with good shelter and poor/no grass but that's not an option so I'm opting for overnight stabling and over-rugging to keep her warm and putting in the leg work to increase the movement she gets. And see if Alcar helps. I'm undecided on whether a vitamin and mineral supplement will be a good thing to go back to.

Last time we were at the point where we could have a riding lesson only a month after the tye up so I must not despair!
 
I'm sorry. Change in weather can get my poor mare every time, although I think her last big one in Feb was due to not being warmed up properly. I know mine has p1 though.

I'd turn out 24:7 if you can and let her mooch around to loosen the muscles off. I tend to get blood tests a week or so after the tie-up to see where we are and then make a plan for coming back into work. (Eta - just seen 24 hour t/o not an option so ignore me)

There muscle disorders are a s*** to deal with. You can spend a lot of time second guessing yourself (i do!) but annoyingly all the protocols in the world don't seem to stop the tie-ups. Balancers do seem to set mine off too so she doesn't get one any more.
 
I *could* do 24 hour turnout but the field we have is lacking in shelter and the grass is good so I'm not sure it's the best option cold and sugar wise... trying to limit grass intake has started to chop up the field already too so I wanted to reduce turnout time a bit. If I had a more sheltered field I'd probably rug her up to the eyeballs and chuck her out once the grass is less of an issue but it's really quote exposed so I'm not sure.

It's maddening.
 
I don't suppose a stable with a pen is an option where you are? If not I think I'd also go for 24/7 and make sure her topline is warm. Poor mare. Hope you find a routine to suit you both. Must be quite a worry.
 
Have you looked at the Calm Healthy horses UK website. My horse gets spasming muscles, which seems to tie into increasing grass, the Graze-ezy and Alleviate C seem to help.
 
The second we get our own place (here's hoping) I will be customising her living space to suit. It is hard to get adaptations on a livery yard. Her stable is huge (stable and a half) so that's a bonus... not enough but a bonus. Last year she was only getting 4 hours turnout a day in the middle of winter and not everyday. I was hand walking her twice a day and she got an hour out in the school on no field days... And she didn't tye up again after the first one in November...
 
So sorry you are having these issues :(

The genetic test for PSSM1 can be done via hair test (it’s about £30 from Animal Genetics), totally non-invasive, and can be done without getting the vet involved.
 
So worth a type 1 test then. Hope she's starting to feel better.

Yes. Definitely time for the test... I was kind of hoping it was just vitamin E deficiency last time but she's on vitamin E now so not this time. She's much better today. Had her massage pad on twice and two 5 minute in hand walks. She's tracking up and looks reasonably comfortable walking but her bum muscles are still pretty solid. I gave her neck and shoulders a massage and she was definitely enjoying that. She's just sore and tight all over today. Have got plenty of liquid into her with speedibeet broths so hopefully everything is flushing through her kidneys alright. Think she's having another day in tomorrow then will start turnout Thursday.

I need to sort my rugs out. Nothing fits her well anymore plus they're all in odd boxes still from the move up here. I think Ruggles is about to have a good month. 😂
 
It's rough when they tie-up. Mine never actually seizes up, just goes 'off' & her bum muscles go taut. Last time I took her to a polework clinic, warmed up and realised she wasn't right. Blood results a week later will still really high so I felt awful.

I've got a stash of Ruggles - happy shopping!
 
I am not sure of the most recent thinking on this but perhaps it may help.
A friend’s horse tied up some years ago. The horse was tested and found to be deficient in Vitamin E inspite of being fed a specialist supplement. The vet gave a booster injection of E saying the horse had not utilised the supplement well enough. For the rest of the horse’s life it was given an annual injection and never tied up again.
 
I am not sure of the most recent thinking on this but perhaps it may help.
A friend’s horse tied up some years ago. The horse was tested and found to be deficient in Vitamin E inspite of being fed a specialist supplement. The vet gave a booster injection of E saying the horse had not utilised the supplement well enough. For the rest of the horse’s life it was given an annual injection and never tied up again.

I thought I'd responded to this but clearly I just spoke of inside my head and forgot the typing bit...

That is very interesting, I might get the vet out after all to check a few things. Especially if PSSM test were to come back negative.

Put her in the field for a few hours today. Apparently "gentle mooching about to loosen things off" can be interpreted as cantering about squealing and showing off to the horses next door. FFS. 😂

Lots of yawning while she had her massage pad on and bum muscles have a squidge to them again... oh and a normal coloured wee! Hurrah.
 
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