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I have seen something absolutely awful on tic tok that has really upset me, however now I have had time to process it, its something that I personally want to raise, on here, in the hope it will get some traction and come up when its searched.

A horse trainer Shannon Eckle in the USA, left a clients horse tied up, and left for a show. The horse had made the fatal mistake of not loading.

The horse died in dreadful circumstances.

hugs to the owner, and i am off to hug my own horses tightly tonight
 
I had read about this.
Absolutly horriffic.

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The horse was allegedly tied to the highest bar in his stall with a rope halter and left for the day as he would not load. Allegedly this was not uncommon.
The horse had broken his front teeth in his struggles before he died of strangulation
 
This started back in 2023. Lots of information on COTH.

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Lawsuit filed re: death of jumper near Aiken

This is pretty horrifying. Allegedly the horse was found dead, tied to the stall with a rope halter because he refused to load to go to a show and hung himself. Just a heads up to anyone in that area that may encounter this trainer/farm- Shannon Eckel of Hat Trick Sporthorses. (I have no...
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Looks like the farm page is down. There is also a pending defamation lawsuit with her as the plaintiff v. several other parties, some of whom are businesses. As expected, the trainer was sued for Cobain's death. It did seem she was still training until recently. Hard tying and patience poles seem commonplace here in the US.
 
It's a long post in the ground that may or may not have the ability to swivel if the horse moves. Some people use it to teach young horses or those difficult to tie to respect pressure by making them stand out there for hours at a time. Humans don't intervene unless it's an emergency. Essentially, the horse learns to respect being tied because pulling back and breaking free aren't options. Personally, I haven't seen this, probably because I'm in the Midwest. It seems more common in the western part of the country, on cattle ranches, especially. Anyway, this whole debacle with Cobain has ignited debate as to their use.
 
Oaty said:
It's a long post in the ground that may or may not have the ability to swivel if the horse moves. Some people use it to teach young horses or those difficult to tie to respect pressure by making them stand out there for hours at a time. Humans don't intervene unless it's an emergency. Essentially, the horse learns to respect being tied because pulling back and breaking free aren't options. Personally, I haven't seen this, probably because I'm in the Midwest. It seems more common in the western part of the country, on cattle ranches, especially. Anyway, this whole debacle with Cobain has ignited debate as to their use.
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I used to work on a low end dealers yard in the 70's, and I have seen this tried. Yes you get some that give in, the ones that don't will get injured, which if the horse is perhaps a few hundred pounds is not too much of a loss in money terms, but if its an expensive and one you can it become unrideable, thats a big problem.
The smart equine will just work out when to do it, it doesn't stop them from doing it. I bought a horse from the sales, and he had worked out how to just stand and pull, you could tie him to anything, at the auction he ended up pulling down three sections of metal fencing, dragging them across the arena, at home you could leave untied with a hay net, try and tie him up, and something would end up broken.
What baffles me is these people are supposed to know about horses, I learnt at about the age twelve its cruel and often ineffective
 
honetpot said:
What baffles me is these people are supposed to know about horses, I learnt at about the age twelve its cruel and often ineffective
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I really think they do it because it is cruel. Ego boost from punishing an animal with no risk to yourself, as you can just go have a cup of tea. Even if it did work, which it obviously doesn't, being able to watch a horse panic and hurt itself while you just stand there is so nasty.
 
I bought a yearling at auction in 2009, and when I called the seller afterwards (from details in his passport) to ask a little background, he told me he'd 'had him tied on' for a few days and that he advised me to do it for a bit longer now he was in a new home.

No.

I interacted with him as if he were unhandled and worked to gain his consent and confidence.

Happily, he grew up fine and went on to be brilliant in all ways and is in a fantastic home living a very happy life, but sadly there are some people around who still feel it's a useful thing to do. I'm not sure they recognise it is cruel or dangerous; it's just the way they do things because they see that it's easy, and effective for what they want to achieve, and label it as the horse's fault if they resist.

Thank goodness that sort of mindset is diminishing as generations move on, but hopefully steps can be taken to speed up leaving this sort of thing in the past, especially on the back of this terrible outcome in the USA.

I have not got any even third-hand knowledge of it being used as 'punishment' though, perhaps that's a whole other mindset :( .
 
Gingerwitch said:
The more I read and see the more despicable I find the human race.

And to someone else’s horse - all because he didn’t load.

I am glad I was not the owner - I honestly would be doing time now.
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Yes, I think I would have been locked up for a long time, if someone had done that to my horse.
 
smolmaus said:
They frequently don't though, since a young horse pulling back at all IS the emergency when it comes to their spines.

I would also argue that it doesn't teach them anything except how to panic until they either shut down or kill themselves.
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Agreed! It's definitely a backward and outmoded method, imho.
 
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