Justina Vanagaite - refreshing

[FieldOrnaments]

I know social media is far from reality all too often but thought this video, and her feed in general, was somewhat refreshing - Justina Vanagaite, Lithuanian dressage rider. Curb rein is often slack in her test videos too.

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[Dave's Mam]

I loved her video.

 

[FinnishLapphund]

That was lovely to watch, she really seems to be doing it for the enjoyment of making her horse want to work with her.

 

[TPO]

So we're just ignoring the horse trussed up like a turkey in the background?

 

[FieldOrnaments]

I didn't even see that until it was pointed out need to go to Specsavers

Abuse of the horse is so pervasive

 

[Kaylum]

Everyone is going on about that video. I would love to see the horse in a nice long and low position personally.

 

[FieldOrnaments]

You could literally post a video of a horse grazing and people would find issue with it

 

[Dave's Mam]

So we're just ignoring the horse trussed up like a turkey in the background?

TBH I didn't look at the horse in the background as he was not the poster's focus. It's not pretty, but without knowing if he or she is her's or not, we can't judge her on what someone else on her yard is doing.

 

[Cragrat]

So because it's on a headcollar in that video clip, the BTV, almost on the chest head with very closed throat is OK? Or did he learn to go like that by being worked in a Pessoa for hours before being put in the headcollar?

 

[FieldOrnaments]

TBH I didn't look at the horse in the background as he was not the poster's focus. It's not pretty, but without knowing if he or she is her's or not, we can't judge her on what someone else on her yard is doing.

iirc she only has one horse

 

[Burnttoast]

Very fluffy, but big conflict signals, tail, tight mouth, triangular eye, pinned ears, and btv most of the time, along with that weird modern passage where the leg just stops in the middle of the swing phase, which must take huge amounts of tension to produce. Presumably this means the training is at fault somewhere along the line, or the horse is nursing some occult physical issue, or both, whether or not a few GP moves can be done in a headcollar.

 

[sbloom]

You could literally post a video of a horse grazing and people would find issue with it

Not unless it's being held up as a really good example of a horse grazing and for some reason it's not.

I completely understand why this looks nicer but there are so many issues with the horse's way of going, tack or no tack. This is why there is such a steep hill to climb as we've all got so used to seeing these faults and thinking they're correct.

So because it's on a headcollar in that video clip, the BTV, almost on the chest head with very closed throat is OK? Or did he learn to go like that by being worked in a Pessoa for hours before being put in the headcollar?

Just strong hands and a rider that leans back, working through compression. Might not use any gadget at all (I have no idea).

@Burnttoast nailed it.

 

[sbloom]

Everyone is going on about that video. I would love to see the horse in a nice long and low position personally.

Have a look at the work of @equimetric and @encompass equine solutions on FB. The poll being the highest point is correct for a reason, long and low is a stretch that has its downsides if used as a way of going. We've come to associate high head carriage with a hollow back and closed throat latch but the head and neck is part of absolute elevation ie getting the horses shoulders (in reality the thoracic sling/ribcage) up.

Edited to add - just found this great post on the subject -

https://www.facebook.com/ShadeTreeStables/posts/pfbid02kJU4B1372269Tnut8HB5WeXqAjGjeLU4dMsz2VqycnURkSZWkeLE7vP9Vxvh1yk9l

 

[Kaylum]

Have a look at the work of @equimetric and @encompass equine solutions on FB. The poll being the highest point is correct for a reason, long and low is a stretch that has its downsides if used as a way of going. We've come to associate high head carriage with a hollow back and closed throat latch but the head and neck is part of absolute elevation ie getting the horses shoulders (in reality the thoracic sling/ribcage) up.

Edited to add - just found this great post on the subject -

https://www.facebook.com/ShadeTreeStables/posts/pfbid02kJU4B1372269Tnut8HB5WeXqAjGjeLU4dMsz2VqycnURkSZWkeLE7vP9Vxvh1yk9l

No I mean for the horse to be relaxed not expected to work like that through aggressive hard training which is what that is.

 

[sbloom]

No I mean for the horse to be relaxed not expected to work like that through aggressive hard training which is what that is.

Yes but that's not long and low which has a particular effect, seldom talked about, on centre of mass and gravity, it is a specific way of going.

I agree that there is too much tension in the work.