Kannan coming to the UK?

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I got an email today saying that Kannan is coming to the UK. WOW! Especially after I watched Aventure de Kannan win the Speed Derby at Hickstead the other week.

Does anyone know any more about this?
 
I got an email from Ken this morning:

Some of you will already have heard whispers, but I can confirm that earlier this week I bought Kannan, yes the jumping and breeding demi god!!! As with Graf, I’m still slightly in shock, but I asked the right question at the right time to the right person and came up with the jackpot, and I had to pay the right money of course!

So, we’re trying to organise for Kannan to come to the UK during next weekend and to stay for the rest of the season (if it ever ends this year) and go to the stallion parade at Burghley with his new stable mate Grafenstolz. What a pair!!

Hopefully all will go smoothly and British breeders will get the chance to breed to this superstar with fresh semen until the middle of September. You’ll all know that I hate the phrase “World Class” as it has become the new “average”, but we can safely say that Kannan is the definition of World Class based on his production.



It went on at some length but that's the gist of it!
 
Yes, that's the one I got.

I thought the price at 1500€ was great (against 2300€ in France) and that we pay when the mare is in foal, looks generous.

I've always heard super things about his youngstock, and I didn't realise that he has made really good young eventers.

Is this man on a mission?
 
great for us over here?? seems a good offer, wish i hadnt spent up covering and buying more in. have one mare empty i could have sent to him!!!
 
Kannan has covered 1229 mares over 7 years.
Comment on conformation offspring:
Like their father, his offspring exhibit style and balance at the jump, along with a good mouth and character

Performances and Results offspring:
His most important product is A Pikachu de Muze, who won the six year old World Championships at Lanaken in 2006. The same horse was subsequently sold at the PSI auction for 570,000€. In 2006 he also produced the American 6YO Champion Amis de Kannan.

Other than this, he has 11 products jumping at international level (2* and above). His production is still young, however he is proving very effective in the young horse classes. With 981 of his coverings having taken place in the last 5 years. We are sure to see similar successes to A Pikachu in the near future. - - He is still a young stallion so I suppose 11 out of 1229 coverings competiting at international level is awsome;


ISO: 178
BSO: +28 (0.94)

Mares to use with this stallion: Because of his size and strength, he is well suited to small to medium weight mares, who lack size, scope and power. His nature, character and mouth can be used on any mare.
 
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Great news for British breeders and i think the stud fee is £1500 so £800 cheaper what a fantastic stallion at that price!

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I dont know what the big deal is, the stallion was used by breeders over here before and has been for years. The fact he will be in the UK makes no difference. Semen is semen regardless of where it is!

Of course they will drop the fee as the season is coming to an end, it would be the only way people would now use him being middle of July!
 
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Kannan has covered 1229 mares over 7 years.
Comment on conformation offspring:
Like their father, his offspring exhibit style and balance at the jump, along with a good mouth and character

Performances and Results offspring:
His most important product is A Pikachu de Muze, who won the six year old World Championships at Lanaken in 2006. The same horse was subsequently sold at the PSI auction for 570,000€. In 2006 he also produced the American 6YO Champion Amis de Kannan.

Other than this, he has 11 products jumping at international level (2* and above). His production is still young, however he is proving very effective in the young horse classes. With 981 of his coverings having taken place in the last 5 years. We are sure to see similar successes to A Pikachu in the near future. - - He is still a young stallion so I suppose 11 out of 1229 coverings competiting at international level is awsome;


ISO: 178
BSO: +28 (0.94)

Mares to use with this stallion: Because of his size and strength, he is well suited to small to medium weight mares, who lack size, scope and power. His nature, character and mouth can be used on any mare.

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So to put his offspring into context - basically less than 1% of his offspring have gone to International level, or out of the above inseminations 0.89% to be exact. 11 out of 1229 mares is not a huge amount, and I am sure that he got very good quality mares on the continent.

I am not taking anything away from the stallion, what he has achieved himself and his offspring. Good stallion yes, "world class".......hmmmm I think I would need to see more of his offspring doing a lot higher than just two in age classes.
 
Sorry this was my comment & it was not made clear; He is still a young stallion so I suppose 11 out of 1229 coverings competiting at international level is awsome;
I admit it was not necessary to make the comment as the figs speak for themselves. Just with so much hype & an almost "We are doing you favour" tone I lowered myself to school ground behaviour, my apologies.
 
He is a really awesome boy, a lovely stallion, but not that young, magic - 17, I think. Not sure which comment you thought you had made that lowered things to a schoolground level; nothing that I have read of yours struck me as doing that. But incredibly generous of you to say so, anyway! Many could take a leaf out of your book .....
 
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I got an email today saying that Kannan is coming to the UK. WOW! Especially after I watched Aventure de Kannan win the Speed Derby at Hickstead the other week.

Does anyone know any more about this?

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Slightly off topic, Adventure De Kannan belongs to my best friend, he is one of the most geunine and kind horses I have ever met, as well as being extremely talented. I am not sure if he gets this from his father however my friend has just had her mare scanned in foal to Kannan, she is hoping for another one just as good.
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He is still a young stallion so I suppose 11 out of 1229 coverings competiting at international level is awsome;
17 is young when you think that his 1st foals wont have been born until he was say 3/4yrs depending on whether they used him at 2 or 3yrs. Another 6yrs for the 1st crop to start to come through & that takes him to 10. He would not though of started to get the mares in any real qty or quality until later in life.

What is needed is one central system that all breed societies feed into, showing exactly how many mares were covered how many confired in-foal then how many offspring went on to compete at what levels. As I have said before why is a stallion considered great if he had to cover 1000 to mares to get say 30 at international level? There are stallions out there that have actually covered a lot less but in percentage terms are far superior.

Anyway I have seen the stallion that I would be happy to gamble my money on. He has both the movement & scope & if I had a crystal ball I would have used him this year, because I think once his stock are on the ground his fee wont stay at the level it currently is.
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He is still a young stallion so I suppose 11 out of 1229 coverings competiting at international level is awsome;
17 is young when you think that his 1st foals wont have been born until he was say 3/4yrs depending on whether they used him at 2 or 3yrs. Another 6yrs for the 1st crop to start to come through & that takes him to 10. He would not though of started to get the mares in any real qty or quality until later in life.

What is needed is one central system that all breed societies feed into, showing exactly how many mares were covered how many confired in-foal then how many offspring went on to compete at what levels. As I have said before why is a stallion considered great if he had to cover 1000 to mares to get say 30 at international level? There are stallions out there that have actually covered a lot less but in percentage terms are far superior.

Anyway I have seen the stallion that I would be happy to gamble my money on. He has both the movement & scope & if I had a crystal ball I would have used him this year, because I think once his stock are on the ground his fee wont stay at the level it currently is.
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magic, that is just too tantalising! Do tell who it is .....

And I so agree with your idea of a central system where all a stallion's stats could be reviewed, but goodness only knows if that will ever happen!

On the subject of crystal ball gazing, I'm putting my money on Contados for a future sire of outstanding eventers - I'm hoping so, as my mare is in foal to him this year!!!
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Great news for British breeders and i think the stud fee is £1500 so £800 cheaper what a fantastic stallion at that price!

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I dont know what the big deal is, the stallion was used by breeders over here before and has been for years. The fact he will be in the UK makes no difference. Semen is semen regardless of where it is!

Of course they will drop the fee as the season is coming to an end, it would be the only way people would now use him being middle of July!

[/ QUOTE ]the price decrease makes it attractive for the less wealthy,i think its great to be able to see him "in the flesh" rather than look in a brouchre,be intresting to see what 2010 stud fee is...?
 
I did a quick count up of Kannan's offspring competing at 2* FEI competitions and above, and he has a total of 110, so that would make around 8% of the mares covered have produced internationals. That much was in the email, but I thought I'd check it myself. Some of those are 6/7 year old international classes, but they still count. From what I can see, he didn't cover many mares in his years in Belgium, but he covered a lot in France, but he only moved there in 2002, so it would make sense that he has a lot of youngstock now doing well in 6/7 YO classes. He is also either the number two or number 4 sire of 4,5 and 6 year olds in France, where they obviously do have the kind of system you are talking about, yes it would be nice to have it here.

Also, the email I got said 1500 EUROS, not £'s.
 
I did consider him for my mare at one point, but he's a bit to heavy for my taste, with what looks like a slightly weak back end from his photos, and one question mark I had about him was why he has not as far as I was aware been graded with KWPN. Its unusual for a "World Class Stallion" not to be accepted retrospectively by the KWPN. I think if I ever seriously considered using him I'd want to do some more research into why he's not been.
 
He's Approved BWP and SF and the owners probably couldn't be bothered with anything else as they are not really stallion owners. So you probably don't need to dig to deep, although the new owner will be sending him for approval with the KWPN and has just had the xrays done specifically for that.
 
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although the new owner will be sending him for approval with the KWPN and has just had the xrays done specifically for that.

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Interesting as I would have thought it was too early for the KWPN to request x-rays as the Stallion Keuring is not until February, some 6 months away (and x-rays tend to be requested nearer the time). It will be interesting to see him in Holland in 2010 if he does pass the x-rays.
 
My goodness you do your research quickly don't you? Ond day you you send out a post asking what others 'know about Kannans arrival' and then all of a sudden you're an expert in his grading history. Given the frequency that you've posted about how wonderful Kannan is in your recent posts you'd think you knew more about the horse than you're letting on - as if!

If you know the 'owner' well enough to find all this out - why did you feel it necessary to post - surely you could just ask him yourself?
 
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