gloster_image
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Woah!! What drama!! Anyone have money on snoopy loopy?
Kauto Star
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jeanettethree
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I no I watched it too, Shame really, will have been some serious money lost on that race...
amyneave
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i was riding at the time of the race. heard all about it though
Sarahgema
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Can't believe it fell! poor thing! was trying so hard too.
ah wel never mind - sure many more wins goin his way!
ah wel never mind - sure many more wins goin his way!
DAHH
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A real shame he fell and even more of a shame I didn't have money on the winner. £10 at 33 to 1 would have been very nice!
starr_g
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It was a real shame that Sam Thomas took him up the rail at the third last and had no room to jump it so the horse got a faceful of brush. That was what knocked KS off his stride.
FFF
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I was shopping
Here is the link http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/horse_racing/7743824.stm
Here is the link http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/horse_racing/7743824.stm
lucretia
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dont forget he has taken a few liberties at late fences in the past though he seemed to be over that problem, he'll be back.
MissDeMeena
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Bloody hell, no one can say that Seamus Durack didn't work for his money in that race!! He was pushing and shoving miles out!!
Gonetofrance
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He shouldn't have folded the way he did......... unless as starrg suggested it was switching to the inside rail that did for him. Ruby has mostly always allowed the horse a clear passage..............
A messy race tho', they crawled early on, and ExD jumped like a hairy goat.
I'd say they might find either a problem with KS, or else they need to leave him a lot longer between runs nowadays.
A messy race tho', they crawled early on, and ExD jumped like a hairy goat.
I'd say they might find either a problem with KS, or else they need to leave him a lot longer between runs nowadays.
Fantasy_World
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Fair does to the winner and well done for Peter Bowen and his wife Karen. Have met them a couple of times and have yet to see a more hard working couple in National Hunt racing as them. They have not had the rub of the green to be honest for many seasons and have certainly not won anything as big as this than this on my reckoning since the days of Dreams End. They may have won a lot of bread and butter type events but nothing as grand as this in recent times.
They lost Mckelvey this year after running in the Aintree Grand National and I think today's success will offer some recompense for that sad loss.
That said I would not have fancied the winner at all to be honest. Not against the likes of Kauto Star and Exotic Dancer.
Kauto did travel well for most of the race but I was dismayed to see him try to flatten the third last before his stumble after two out which led to the unseating of Thomas.
To me though the idea of him being crowded and not seeing daylight at the fence is not a good enough excuse for his mistakes.
Fair enough you could expect mistakes and a fall/slip like that from a novice chaser having its first or second run over fences but not from a top class chaser who has competed over fences 18 times and in higher class events than this.
Nicholls told the Racing Post that the horse was on the inside and didn't seem to be enjoying it compared to Down Royal where he had more room and was tanking along.
Kempton will be a different story and I feel he will be more at ease at that course especially as I am not truly convinced he is a true stayer based on his runs to date.
Previously he had been making mistakes jumping the last few obstacles in a race which raised questions on his stamina in my view then. I did think he was over those mistakes though after his impressive jumping display at Down Royal last time.
He may have won at Haydock before and even Cheltenham but at the back of mind I am just wondering if he may be worthy of dropping back in trip and maybe just maybe that 3 miles on an easy track is his optimum trip?
At tracks other than the likes of Kempton I am just wondering if he may be vulnerable to horses that stay better than he does.
He is a classy horse and has a turn of foot but after this display at Haydock I do have my doubts now than he can lift a second Cheltenham Gold Cup, especially as I had previously thought that he looked a stronger contender from the Ditcheat yard following the setback to Denman.
I know horses are not machines and that mistakes can and do happen but now that chink in his armour has been revealed, ie that he doesn't seem to like being overcrowded and prefers daylight at his fences then some opponents at a later time may exploit this in larger fields and try to get him boxed in?
It happens on the flat all the time and also in the big jump races where tactics are the deciding factor in winning or losing. Sometimes you only need one spoiler in a race to stop a horse from winning or to reduce its chance of winning and now that Nicholls has said this about his chaser who knows if his rivals will choose to afford Kauto so much daylight in his races again.
Maybe I am conjecturing too much, I just don't know. But I don't see any racing as being black and white. There is not just winning and losing and it is far more complex than that in my opinion.
I am a fan of Kauto Star and have been for years and don't want to see him lose and that is not what I am saying at all. I am just a bit concerned after seeing his display today as I really thought he was over any of his previous problems and sloppy jumping during the crucial stages of a race.
They lost Mckelvey this year after running in the Aintree Grand National and I think today's success will offer some recompense for that sad loss.
That said I would not have fancied the winner at all to be honest. Not against the likes of Kauto Star and Exotic Dancer.
Kauto did travel well for most of the race but I was dismayed to see him try to flatten the third last before his stumble after two out which led to the unseating of Thomas.
To me though the idea of him being crowded and not seeing daylight at the fence is not a good enough excuse for his mistakes.
Fair enough you could expect mistakes and a fall/slip like that from a novice chaser having its first or second run over fences but not from a top class chaser who has competed over fences 18 times and in higher class events than this.
Nicholls told the Racing Post that the horse was on the inside and didn't seem to be enjoying it compared to Down Royal where he had more room and was tanking along.
Kempton will be a different story and I feel he will be more at ease at that course especially as I am not truly convinced he is a true stayer based on his runs to date.
Previously he had been making mistakes jumping the last few obstacles in a race which raised questions on his stamina in my view then. I did think he was over those mistakes though after his impressive jumping display at Down Royal last time.
He may have won at Haydock before and even Cheltenham but at the back of mind I am just wondering if he may be worthy of dropping back in trip and maybe just maybe that 3 miles on an easy track is his optimum trip?
At tracks other than the likes of Kempton I am just wondering if he may be vulnerable to horses that stay better than he does.
He is a classy horse and has a turn of foot but after this display at Haydock I do have my doubts now than he can lift a second Cheltenham Gold Cup, especially as I had previously thought that he looked a stronger contender from the Ditcheat yard following the setback to Denman.
I know horses are not machines and that mistakes can and do happen but now that chink in his armour has been revealed, ie that he doesn't seem to like being overcrowded and prefers daylight at his fences then some opponents at a later time may exploit this in larger fields and try to get him boxed in?
It happens on the flat all the time and also in the big jump races where tactics are the deciding factor in winning or losing. Sometimes you only need one spoiler in a race to stop a horse from winning or to reduce its chance of winning and now that Nicholls has said this about his chaser who knows if his rivals will choose to afford Kauto so much daylight in his races again.
Maybe I am conjecturing too much, I just don't know. But I don't see any racing as being black and white. There is not just winning and losing and it is far more complex than that in my opinion.
I am a fan of Kauto Star and have been for years and don't want to see him lose and that is not what I am saying at all. I am just a bit concerned after seeing his display today as I really thought he was over any of his previous problems and sloppy jumping during the crucial stages of a race.
Gonetofrance
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I hear you, StaffsO, but I don't agree! That wasn't the real KS. Think back on his most impressive victories, and he's sailed clear of his field when he's seen daylight at his fences. He stumbled because, IMO, he was out on his feet............ now whether Sam took him the inside to give him the rail to help him, or to put him amongst horses 'cos he was waning and to keep him competitive, I don't know. He was cooked before the switch.
It wasn't the horse that we know, that's why I think maybe he needs time between his runs now.
BTW, did you see the Knutt jock win yesterday?? Awesome TV!!!
It wasn't the horse that we know, that's why I think maybe he needs time between his runs now.
BTW, did you see the Knutt jock win yesterday?? Awesome TV!!!
meandmyself
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I think he looked tired/not willing from the start. I think he needs more time between races.
Hasn't he always been a bit of an untidy jumper?
Hasn't he always been a bit of an untidy jumper?
Fantasy_World
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He may well have been cooked GTF which was why I am questioning his true ability to stay nowadays. I agree that he has looked impressive in the past but in my opinion just because horses have won over a distance in the past it does not always necessarily make them a true stayer. On many occasions it can just be simply that they were better on the day in that race than their rivals. Another day on different going and with rivals in better form then a race could pan out very differently.
I am not arguing with you btw chuck as I do value your opinions as you are one of only a handful of people on this forum I feel I can have a informed chat with about racing. It's just that I do now have doubts about him staying at tracks other than Kempton.
I did think before his win the Gold Cup 2 years ago that he had had too many races and I was proved wrong lol.
But I will say one thing though while he looked well today he did not look as well in coat and condition as he did at Down Royal. It's the same with Ashley Brook a few weeks ago. I saw him before the race at Exeter and I said to my other half that he looked the best I have ever seen him after a lay off. He looked fit and despite being clipped ( looked recent) his coat was shining that much you could probably see your reflection in it. Last week at Cheltenham he didn't look the same, his coat was duller in my opinion and he ran a lack lustre race in my view especially as he had run some good races at the track, even when failing to complete.
Kauto today didn't look as well as last time imo.
I suppose we will know more come Kempton and also if he will be going for a Gold Cup again. I would reckon his owner will want that route for his star chaser. While it would be nice to see him clash again with the likes of Denman (if his stablemate turns up) I would like to see a better performance than today over a more staying track than Kempton for him to prove to me that he will stay up that hill again.
btw who is the knutt jock lol?
I am not arguing with you btw chuck as I do value your opinions as you are one of only a handful of people on this forum I feel I can have a informed chat with about racing. It's just that I do now have doubts about him staying at tracks other than Kempton.
I did think before his win the Gold Cup 2 years ago that he had had too many races and I was proved wrong lol.
But I will say one thing though while he looked well today he did not look as well in coat and condition as he did at Down Royal. It's the same with Ashley Brook a few weeks ago. I saw him before the race at Exeter and I said to my other half that he looked the best I have ever seen him after a lay off. He looked fit and despite being clipped ( looked recent) his coat was shining that much you could probably see your reflection in it. Last week at Cheltenham he didn't look the same, his coat was duller in my opinion and he ran a lack lustre race in my view especially as he had run some good races at the track, even when failing to complete.
Kauto today didn't look as well as last time imo.
I suppose we will know more come Kempton and also if he will be going for a Gold Cup again. I would reckon his owner will want that route for his star chaser. While it would be nice to see him clash again with the likes of Denman (if his stablemate turns up) I would like to see a better performance than today over a more staying track than Kempton for him to prove to me that he will stay up that hill again.
btw who is the knutt jock lol?
Gonetofrance
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OK, I'd say the looking poor in his coat is the issue here, not his ability to stay. If you look back over his recent form, the only race he's lost barring the Gold Cup has been at Aintree at 25f and that was only by a nose to what I consider to be the most underrated chaser in training. (Oh how I wish Timmy had been his jockey from day one, we may well have been hailing Our Vic in a different light!)
Before that it was the Old Roan where Monet's Garden beat him, but the profile of his run was similar to how he ran today and that was only 2m 4f.
I genuinely think there's some kind of problem somewhere, which sounds totally daft considering his record, but remember Dessie chucked in the odd mystery run, and he was discovered to have corns and back problems.
I would be with you that he might not truly stay the Gold Cup trip though, but these days how many do???
Anthony Knott, riding as an amateur owner won yesterday at Wincanton (I think?) Bloody awesome, waved at the crowds in the grandstand on the run in, still won, his first ever win in his life and he's 44!! He said he was fine 'cos the horse was three stone well in, so he could afford to stop riding in front of the stands!!!
He must be on youtube, I'll try and find it.
Before that it was the Old Roan where Monet's Garden beat him, but the profile of his run was similar to how he ran today and that was only 2m 4f.
I genuinely think there's some kind of problem somewhere, which sounds totally daft considering his record, but remember Dessie chucked in the odd mystery run, and he was discovered to have corns and back problems.
I would be with you that he might not truly stay the Gold Cup trip though, but these days how many do???
Anthony Knott, riding as an amateur owner won yesterday at Wincanton (I think?) Bloody awesome, waved at the crowds in the grandstand on the run in, still won, his first ever win in his life and he's 44!! He said he was fine 'cos the horse was three stone well in, so he could afford to stop riding in front of the stands!!!
He must be on youtube, I'll try and find it.
Fantasy_World
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I suppose we will know soon enough in the next few days as I am sure most of the top yards get their horses scoped and/or blood tested after races or if they didn't put in the performance that was expected.
I have just watched the video on you tube and lol it made me chuckle. Mind you I have seen a fair few professionals stop riding or start celebrating near the line and either lose a race or go very close to doing so.
Fair dos to him though as it was his own horse and he must have felt over the moon. I can't imagine what it must be like to ride your own horse to victory in any race. I think that Mick Fitzgerald's comment after the 96 Grand National would be an understatement to say the least lol.
Let's hope we hear some more news on Walsh this week as well
Caz
I have just watched the video on you tube and lol it made me chuckle. Mind you I have seen a fair few professionals stop riding or start celebrating near the line and either lose a race or go very close to doing so.
Fair dos to him though as it was his own horse and he must have felt over the moon. I can't imagine what it must be like to ride your own horse to victory in any race. I think that Mick Fitzgerald's comment after the 96 Grand National would be an understatement to say the least lol.
Let's hope we hear some more news on Walsh this week as well
Caz
Gonetofrance
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Well they're kind of writing him off on the ATR Sunday forum this morning..........let's hope he does come back. I wonder, with some of these horrendous blunders he makes, that there's maybe some niggle that they can't get to. I wonder if they even know, and are just not broadcasting it?
Anyway, I think Ruby's dreaming if he thinks he'll be back for the King George, it took Paul Carberry at least four months after his spleen was removed.
At least there's the first race over the National fences to look forward to today........bring it on!
Anyway, I think Ruby's dreaming if he thinks he'll be back for the King George, it took Paul Carberry at least four months after his spleen was removed.
At least there's the first race over the National fences to look forward to today........bring it on!
Fantasy_World
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I don't think they should write him off just yet though to be fair and Nicholls's interview on the BBC yesterday really slammed any critics when he said about horses not being machines etc.
Sorry for being a bit slow on the uptake from yesterday but have been at the yard with the horses most of the last two days and only watched the racing ( recorded) this morning.
On reflection and having seen the last few jumps made by Kauto again he was squeezed for room when he tried to bank the third last. But interestingly enough it was reported that he used to have this habit when he was jumping in France before he came to the British shores.
So you may be right about him having a problem that has not been addressed or even discovered yet.
He was not at fault when he slipped on landing after the last though and I admit he was unlucky.
Dunwoody on the beeb said that we didn't see the real Kauto on Saturday and even Nicholls mentioned about the spacing between races. He admitted to readying him for Ireland and then laying off afterwards before bringing back for Sat's race. He said that he wondered if he may now need more time between his races. That for me would be a worrying suggestion though because this horse in 2006/07 was a revelation. He managed to fit in five races before winning the gold cup of races then during the winter campaign and never looked ill at ease ( except for a few blunders at later fences, such as at Kempton). Perhaps the Gold Cup he won took more out of him that we thought?
I know that the Gold Cup and the Hennessey Gold Cup are two races that are deemed to be very hard on horses, especially the winners and placed horses.
Or maybe just maybe he has peaked? Given that he is now an 8 year old French bred horse. I have not delved too much into his pedigree but on balance most French bred horses that come to Britain and chase have been precocious and have not trained on so well in their later years. He may be only 8, turning 9 in January but even so from my own memory of French types from the days when Martin Pipe seemed to start a trend in them, they appeared to be good as novices, 4 and 5 year olds and maybe even 6 but thereafter their form overall against similarly aged rivals did not hold up to scrutiny. Maybe I am generalising too much but even so when Kauto was at his peak in 06/07 he was aged 6 and 7.
Although on reflection Kauto was perhaps not as old as his age in racing miles due to him having missed the latter part of the 04/05 season after suffering a fractured hind leg at Exeter in the January of that season when he fell and was remounted to finish second.
The time he spent off on box rest and missing Cheltenham that season was probably a blessing in disguise though.
I just hope that he runs his race at Kempton and there is not some niggling problem and that he is still progressing.
Pilot error may have played a small part in his defeat at Haydock as Nicholls did say that Thomas has only ridden the horse once before and that Ruby has been aboard all the rest of the times in Britain except for one ride by Fitzgerald in 2005.
Even so though a horse with his jumping experience in top class races -which have also included races over a speedier two miles- should have meant that he was nimble enough to be able to cope with jumping up on the inner at the third last instead of trying to uproot it. He may be a tall, rangy type but he has an athletic build so I cannot see how he would have needed so much room around a fence compared to a horse who is built like a proverbial tank.
As regards to Walsh though I did put something about Carberry and his recovery time on another thread. Carberry's delay in recovery in my opinion was largely due to him walking around for several days with internal injuries following a fall at Meade's gallops. Eventually he collapsed and needed a splenectomy due to his injured spleen.
Walsh on the other hand, despite having a ruptured spleen was hospitalised within hours of his fall and was operated on the same day, thus aiding his recovery time.
Carberry also got injured as the jump season was coming to a close and therefore didn't have the Cheltenham and Aintree festivals to look forward to. Also he was advised to delay a return to riding for a prolonged period due to the risk of a fall on fast ground which would be prevalent during the summer jumping period. As most of our winters tend to be 'wet' ones then statistically the odds of Walsh encountering fast ground would be significantly less.
Although as Ted ( Ruby's dad) said yesterday on camera, Ruby will know when he is ready. He will be doing some sit ups in the next few weeks and then he will know how long it will take him. Scar tissue, bruising and stitches aside it is the muscle wastage that will perhaps be the main issue here rather than the actual biological significance of having the spleen removed.
Having had abdominal surgery myself several years ago following a C- section then I can understand the significance of abdominal muscles being cut open. In my case I wasn't race fit lol ( in my dreams maybe) so after being stretched during pregnancy they were not that tight to begin with. But a race fit jockey as we all know will have an abdomen of steel and having that cut into for surgery of any kind is going to cause significant wastage while they are unable to tone muscles or race ride.
Until he can get his abdomen anywhere near to perfect then he would be vulnerable to any subsequent falls I would imagine as well as not having the same middle to upper body strength as he did before.
I have so much admiration for these guys, more so than flat jockeys to be honest. I suppose it is mainly because they are out in all weathers ( all weather mostly naff flat racing aside during the winter), they have to control a horse over a jump as well as race riding on the flat and also are more likely to endure falls.
Really bloody brave jockeys if you ask me, men and women alike.
Getting back to the jump racing though I had a bit of a kick in the teeth as a horse I have been following for years, Black Apalachi won the Becher yesterday. I didn't have a penny on as I am flat broke atm
The quotes for the Aintree showpiece next year though were a bit daft though and even Ladbrokes 33/1 was far too short in my opinion. Unless we have a repeat of Red Marauder's GN ( which I backed at 40/1 when he won) then I don't see at all how he can win.
Yesterday's race was run at a crawl compared to what it will like for the big one. BA needs plenty of cut and a slog to be seen at his best. It is extremely doubtful he will get either next spring so I won't be in any rush to back him, even at 33's.
Caz
Sorry for being a bit slow on the uptake from yesterday but have been at the yard with the horses most of the last two days and only watched the racing ( recorded) this morning.
On reflection and having seen the last few jumps made by Kauto again he was squeezed for room when he tried to bank the third last. But interestingly enough it was reported that he used to have this habit when he was jumping in France before he came to the British shores.
So you may be right about him having a problem that has not been addressed or even discovered yet.
He was not at fault when he slipped on landing after the last though and I admit he was unlucky.
Dunwoody on the beeb said that we didn't see the real Kauto on Saturday and even Nicholls mentioned about the spacing between races. He admitted to readying him for Ireland and then laying off afterwards before bringing back for Sat's race. He said that he wondered if he may now need more time between his races. That for me would be a worrying suggestion though because this horse in 2006/07 was a revelation. He managed to fit in five races before winning the gold cup of races then during the winter campaign and never looked ill at ease ( except for a few blunders at later fences, such as at Kempton). Perhaps the Gold Cup he won took more out of him that we thought?
I know that the Gold Cup and the Hennessey Gold Cup are two races that are deemed to be very hard on horses, especially the winners and placed horses.
Or maybe just maybe he has peaked? Given that he is now an 8 year old French bred horse. I have not delved too much into his pedigree but on balance most French bred horses that come to Britain and chase have been precocious and have not trained on so well in their later years. He may be only 8, turning 9 in January but even so from my own memory of French types from the days when Martin Pipe seemed to start a trend in them, they appeared to be good as novices, 4 and 5 year olds and maybe even 6 but thereafter their form overall against similarly aged rivals did not hold up to scrutiny. Maybe I am generalising too much but even so when Kauto was at his peak in 06/07 he was aged 6 and 7.
Although on reflection Kauto was perhaps not as old as his age in racing miles due to him having missed the latter part of the 04/05 season after suffering a fractured hind leg at Exeter in the January of that season when he fell and was remounted to finish second.
The time he spent off on box rest and missing Cheltenham that season was probably a blessing in disguise though.
I just hope that he runs his race at Kempton and there is not some niggling problem and that he is still progressing.
Pilot error may have played a small part in his defeat at Haydock as Nicholls did say that Thomas has only ridden the horse once before and that Ruby has been aboard all the rest of the times in Britain except for one ride by Fitzgerald in 2005.
Even so though a horse with his jumping experience in top class races -which have also included races over a speedier two miles- should have meant that he was nimble enough to be able to cope with jumping up on the inner at the third last instead of trying to uproot it. He may be a tall, rangy type but he has an athletic build so I cannot see how he would have needed so much room around a fence compared to a horse who is built like a proverbial tank.
As regards to Walsh though I did put something about Carberry and his recovery time on another thread. Carberry's delay in recovery in my opinion was largely due to him walking around for several days with internal injuries following a fall at Meade's gallops. Eventually he collapsed and needed a splenectomy due to his injured spleen.
Walsh on the other hand, despite having a ruptured spleen was hospitalised within hours of his fall and was operated on the same day, thus aiding his recovery time.
Carberry also got injured as the jump season was coming to a close and therefore didn't have the Cheltenham and Aintree festivals to look forward to. Also he was advised to delay a return to riding for a prolonged period due to the risk of a fall on fast ground which would be prevalent during the summer jumping period. As most of our winters tend to be 'wet' ones then statistically the odds of Walsh encountering fast ground would be significantly less.
Although as Ted ( Ruby's dad) said yesterday on camera, Ruby will know when he is ready. He will be doing some sit ups in the next few weeks and then he will know how long it will take him. Scar tissue, bruising and stitches aside it is the muscle wastage that will perhaps be the main issue here rather than the actual biological significance of having the spleen removed.
Having had abdominal surgery myself several years ago following a C- section then I can understand the significance of abdominal muscles being cut open. In my case I wasn't race fit lol ( in my dreams maybe) so after being stretched during pregnancy they were not that tight to begin with. But a race fit jockey as we all know will have an abdomen of steel and having that cut into for surgery of any kind is going to cause significant wastage while they are unable to tone muscles or race ride.
Until he can get his abdomen anywhere near to perfect then he would be vulnerable to any subsequent falls I would imagine as well as not having the same middle to upper body strength as he did before.
I have so much admiration for these guys, more so than flat jockeys to be honest. I suppose it is mainly because they are out in all weathers ( all weather mostly naff flat racing aside during the winter), they have to control a horse over a jump as well as race riding on the flat and also are more likely to endure falls.
Really bloody brave jockeys if you ask me, men and women alike.
Getting back to the jump racing though I had a bit of a kick in the teeth as a horse I have been following for years, Black Apalachi won the Becher yesterday. I didn't have a penny on as I am flat broke atm
The quotes for the Aintree showpiece next year though were a bit daft though and even Ladbrokes 33/1 was far too short in my opinion. Unless we have a repeat of Red Marauder's GN ( which I backed at 40/1 when he won) then I don't see at all how he can win.
Yesterday's race was run at a crawl compared to what it will like for the big one. BA needs plenty of cut and a slog to be seen at his best. It is extremely doubtful he will get either next spring so I won't be in any rush to back him, even at 33's.
Caz
Gonetofrance
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Phew, bit of a sweat on here about perfect jockey abdomens..........
Don't tell me about bloody Black Apalachi........ I don't have a RP over here, and if I'm busy, I don't get round to putting the card up online until the race is about to start. Hence I'm not betting as I used to. Was on the phone to my Dad, saw BA, and how his price was coming in, but didn't want to interrupt the 'family' moment, but was pigsick (also delighted, in a bittersweet way) when he won, as I'd fancied him last year for the GN. He'll fire up in the weights now tho', so I think he's now a no go for 2009.
Just hope KS comes back. Regarding the amount of races, every horse only has so many runs in it, and you can do more with them when the enthusiasm of youth is firing on all cylinders. I also think older horses need to be kept sweet, and because to me KS is not the most robust of physiques, less runs should be his way forward. But hey, what do I know!!! Good luck to him, and I want to see him return, otherwise War of Attrition could be up there!
Richie Pershite drives me insane with his ineffective slimy muppet interviewing ........ PN looked quite pi55ed off at him, dunno if it's the beeb putting words in his mouth or what, but christ he's awful.
My interesting horse of the w/e was Oulart, and the Hemmings horse that won at Ascot, whose name escapes me right now.....and Jim Goldie's won't stay a National trip...........
That's my tips over for the moment!
Don't tell me about bloody Black Apalachi........ I don't have a RP over here, and if I'm busy, I don't get round to putting the card up online until the race is about to start. Hence I'm not betting as I used to. Was on the phone to my Dad, saw BA, and how his price was coming in, but didn't want to interrupt the 'family' moment, but was pigsick (also delighted, in a bittersweet way) when he won, as I'd fancied him last year for the GN. He'll fire up in the weights now tho', so I think he's now a no go for 2009.
Just hope KS comes back. Regarding the amount of races, every horse only has so many runs in it, and you can do more with them when the enthusiasm of youth is firing on all cylinders. I also think older horses need to be kept sweet, and because to me KS is not the most robust of physiques, less runs should be his way forward. But hey, what do I know!!! Good luck to him, and I want to see him return, otherwise War of Attrition could be up there!
Richie Pershite drives me insane with his ineffective slimy muppet interviewing ........ PN looked quite pi55ed off at him, dunno if it's the beeb putting words in his mouth or what, but christ he's awful.
My interesting horse of the w/e was Oulart, and the Hemmings horse that won at Ascot, whose name escapes me right now.....and Jim Goldie's won't stay a National trip...........
That's my tips over for the moment!
howengold
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I think they should send him to me now and save me begging any more...I love him! I am also begging to have Aston Ville cost he is so cute......
One day a trainer will send me their horse to mother and love......
One day a trainer will send me their horse to mother and love......
lar
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I was at Haydock on Saturday and I think the game was up before even the off as I thought PN looked very anxious in the paddock - such as I didn't see with any of his other runners.
He said in the BBC interview that he thought the horse would have won without the blunders but to me he didn't ever seem to be travelling well from the start of the second circuit and didn't seem to pick up at all when put under pressure.
Binocular however - now what could we say about THAT run??
He said in the BBC interview that he thought the horse would have won without the blunders but to me he didn't ever seem to be travelling well from the start of the second circuit and didn't seem to pick up at all when put under pressure.
Binocular however - now what could we say about THAT run??
Gonetofrance
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Ahh. Binocular............that was a bit special! He won as if he was just going to post!
Shame Captain Cee Bee is out this season, he was impressive beating him at Cheltenham. I had him marked out as my horse to follow this season, dammit!
Shame Captain Cee Bee is out this season, he was impressive beating him at Cheltenham. I had him marked out as my horse to follow this season, dammit!