KC Showing Regulations

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What is so bad about showing a neutered/spayed dog? I met a dog trainer (used in the loosest sense of the word) the other day who refuses to neuter her animals because she's 'old school Kennel Club' :rolleyes: Anyway, I checked their showing regulations and it says you can show a neutered/spayed animal but only if you tell the show organisers beforehand that the dog has been done, the date of the operation and the vets it was done at. Why does this matter? Surely they should be promoting responsible dog ownership which includes spaying/neutering? What if you have a rescue dog and don't know this information? Seems a bit weird to me :confused:
 
"Two testicles, fully descended into the scrotum" is on the breed standard of most dogs.
If they are not present there is no way if telling if the dog was once a monorchid, cryptorchid etc. I think the vet can say in a letter if they were correct before removal.

In my own breed, if the dog has a tooth missing, the owner must provide a dental x-ray, letter etc to prove it was the result of removal/accident rather than genetically, if it wants to get placed/pass a breed survey.

Very few if any rescues pitch up in classes at KC open/championship shows.
 
The argument used is that showing is all part of trying to produce the perfect breed specimen, and the best dogs are intended to be bred from, therefore it defeats the object if a dog is neutered. I only found out recently that a castrated dog can be shown as long as you have a certificate from the vet, but having said that I think its highly unlikely a judge would put a castrated dog over an entire one. I showed a spayed bitch for many years, with success, the difference was I didn't tell anyone, its a lot easier to keep it quiet with a bitch.;)
As CC says very few rescue dogs are shown, as obviously they have to have to have full KC papers, although there was a Ch Belgian Shepherd who was a rescue quite some time ago.
 
My understanding was that you wrote to the KC informing them that a bitch was spayed and that was it, no further informing of show organisers required.

I know that you are able to show a castrated dog, but agree that it is unlikely a judge would put one up.
 
R was unplaced once for this reason - though I think less to do with the fact that he was lacking in balls than that he whipped round and had a good growl at the judge who had just delved inbetween his back legs without sufficient warning. :o

Never expected it to be done at a fun/KC companion show so hadn't prepared him for it. She could have just asked (and then did). :p
 
It is now a kennel club ruling that all vet's are to inform the kennel club of all spaying and castrating of kc registered dogs and bitches , how this would be ' policed ' as regards showing a spayed bitch [ who have an advantage in some breeds as they have more coat and don't loose coat like unspayed bitches ] i have no idea , i have just had my stunning border collie castrated due to a retained testicle , i do alot of companion shows but would still feel him to be not worthy of the pedigree classes and put him in handsome dog etc , should it matter at a fun show ? i think not but the pedigree classes are taken very seriously by most folks and would no doubt come under fire he if were to beat entire dogs !
 
I just think it's a bit silly in this day and age. Just because a dog lacks his balls doesn't mean he isn't an exemplary example of his breed. There are far too many entire dogs running around as it is!
 
Gosh, wouldn't it be tricky if the same ruling applied to the horse world? I have shown my dogs at Champ level in the past, maybe they should have a 'gelding' class for both sexes?
 
My trainer shows and does reasonably well with her neutered dog, he was already castrated when she got him. I believe they got a 3rd or 4th at crufts this year with him.
However had he not been neutered I'm sure they would be doing even better!
 
Showing in breed classes is all about futurity of that breed ,so showing a neuter who cannot contribute to the ongoing gene pool is a bit pointless in that context. Go for companion shows,where such stuff does`nt matter.
 
but a neutered dog can have a impact on the gene pool via its original breeders/siblings/parents etc? So I wouldn't see showing them as entirely pointless the same as showing geldings.
 
East Kent that regulation was on their Companion Dog Show regulations.

I really can't get my head around it, seems totally backward to me but then KC are always slow to catch up with the times :p
 
It all seems completely logical to me,a neuter in itself cannot contribute to it`s breed,yes it`s siblings can be seen,but presumably they are not neutered,so can be part of the ongoing breed progress. Dog showing ,agility etc can be enjoyed both at companion shows and in agility at top level.
 
I wasn't suggesting siblings would be seen, more that if a whole litter was castrated but the quality was good (and proven through showing even if all were castrated) you would know that was a good mating and possibly repeat?

Perhaps dogs are a bit different to horse because (perhaps unfortunately) males are less routinely castrated and dogs have a whole litter rather than just one (and if you castrated the only colt you had you then couldn't use it for on breeding but carry on the line some other way.
 
My point was that monorchidism and cryptorchidism are defects, the same as a missing tooth etc, so a dog with one or no balls could never be described as an exemplary example of the breed. And neutering would remove any evidence of that.
 
It was quite a few years ago, but I had my samoyed bitch spayed (bad hip score) and continued to show her - no one knew. Me bad!

However my dogs were entire, but a friend of mine had his boy done, as he was a monorchid and implants - neuticles - put in! Apparently you can get different textures and firmness! As CC says, this would obviously not be a perfect example of a dog, but was disguised by the neutering, and then the use of Neuticles.
 
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Somehow I cannot grasp the logic of neutering a whole litter,showing them to see if they are good enough,and then repeating the whole process to replace with breedable animals!Repeat matings by the way rarely give as good results in practice.
 
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