Kossolian salts or Equimins advance or something else?

[Jingleballs]

I'm just about to run out of my supplement - currently feeding seaweed but IMO it's not giving him anything as his coat looks quite dull just now.

Last summer when he was in full work I did find he lacked a bit of spark and one of the things I'd though about trying was kossolian salts.

I've never used these before and I can't seem to find details of the mineral breakdown of this product so I'm not sure what else I'd need to feed with it (I like to feed him some biotin and some sort of probiotic)

Another product that I've been recommened is Equimins Advance Concentrate Complete which seems to contain a broad spectrum of vit and minerals including biotin and probiotitcs so I'd have everything in one supplement.

Does anyone know where I can get a breakdown of kossolian salts or have any recommendations as to which option would be best? Or could they be fed together so that I'd get the spark/boost from the kossolian salts?

 

[asyouwish]

Why not just go into a shop that sell the product and check the packaging? Would also give you a chance to compare the products if both of what you have mentioned are sold by the shop.

I would have thought that bloodsalts were more of an exercise supplement where as the complete would maybe be more of a daily supplement.

 

[TigerTail]

micronised linseed is great for coat/skin/hoof health - but it does put weight on so only needs feeding in tiny amounts.

Apart from that you'd need you forage testing in order to feed the minerals which it is deficient in, in order to perk your horse up. If you dont do that get Pro Hoof which contains no crap adn the highest level of general minerals horses require compared to other commerical products.

 

[paddy555]

equimins definitely but not the advance concentrate that you buy online but the "advance concentrate meta balance" that you phone them to order. Cost was not excessive my last 5kg was £54 post free. I feed 60g a day to a 550kg horse with very good results.

 

[paddy555]

Advance Concentrate
Meta Balance powder & pellets.


In formulating this product we have included the most advanced range of minerals bound to organic yeast to make them very much more digestible than ordinary rock based minerals. They are at the forefront of modern nutrition, and we earnestly recommend this product to you.

Advance Meta Balance Special Concentrate is a truly superb combination of important vitamins, minerals and trace elements. Combined with this are very high levels of important probiotics, a pre-biotic to feed them, and a special strain of saccharomyces cerivisae for efficient fibre digestion. Feeding this concentrated feed balancer will make a significant difference to the top line, muscle and general condition of your horse, without making it fat. It is designed to be a complete feed balancer to hay and Haylage.

Feeding Directions: When feeding for the first time, introduce slowly
over a period of 10 -15 days. Ponies: 30-40 grams per day.
Horses: 50 - 60 grams per day, Larger horses: 80 – 90 grams per day
Foals from two weeks onwards: 10 grams per day.
INGREDIENTS: Ground micronized linseed, Dicalcium Phosphate Limestone Flour, Vitamins, Minerals, Trace elements, Organically bound minerals, Saccharomyces cerivisae, probiotics and prebiotics
Analysis:
Oil 7.7% Protein 14.4% Fibre 3.8% Ash 20.9%
Vitamin A 625,000 iu/kg Vitamin D3 125,000 iu/kg
Vitamin E 17000 iu/kg Vitamin B1 1000 mg/kg Vitamin B2 1000 mg/kg
Vitamin B6 800 mg/kg Vitamin B12 3.25 mg/kg Biotin 175 mg/kg
Pantothenic Acid 1300 mg/kg Choline 15,000 mg/kg
Nicotinic acid 2100 mg/kg Zinc Methionate 15000 mg/kg Calcium 4.5%
Phosphorus 3.465% Sodium 5% Magnesium 42.5 g/kg
Folic Acid 500 mg/kg Vitamin K 1225 mg/kg Zinc 13280 mg/kg
Lysine 166 g/kg Copper 3325 mg/kg
Cobalt 125 mg/kg Iodine 85 mg/kg Selenium 30 mg/kg
Manganese 5000 mg/kg Methionine 15,000 mg/kg
Prebiotics 10,000 mg/kg

Organic Minerals bound to a yeast cream: Magnesium 5000 mg/kg
Zinc 750 mg/ kg , Copper 500 mg/kg , Chromium 5000 mg/kg
Manganese 1000 mg/kg, Cobalt 1250 mg/kg, Selenium 15 mg/kg
Probiotics: Lactobacillus Acidophilus & Bifidobacterium 10 billion cfu/g
Sacccharomycyces Cerivisae 20 billion cfu/g

 

[ladyt25]

I had mine on kossolian for a fair time as he can get quite lethargic and at one time was slightly anaemic. To be honest I do think it worked for him and he was easier to keep fit, didn't seem to get out of puff as much etc. Guess it depends what you are wanting the supplement to do. You can buy linseed/flax oil if you want to improve the coat or just a generla vitamin supplement - we feed ours on NAF's general vitamin supplement and they all seem to look good on it. i also have mine on Equidermis as he suffers from itchy skin (i am yet to see whether this is helping) and have him on Topspec 10:10 joint supplement - he's been on this a few years (he's 20 now). It was a preventative though so i have no clue if it's done anything - he doesn't suffer with stiffness though so maybe!

 

[Jingleballs]

Paddy555 - how does the metabalance differ from the other product?

TigerTail - I love the idea of forage analysis however our fields are rotated so would this not make the analysis only valid while the horse was turned out in that field? Also, for the hay analysis - our hay supplier has fields across the country so the bale you get one month comes from a totally different part of the country from the one you'll get the next mont so I wasn't sure how well getting that analysis would work out for us.

I did see some recommendations on pro hoof - is it primarily a hoof supplement as the name suggests or more of an all round supplement?

 

[Jingleballs]

I had mine on kossolian for a fair time as he can get quite lethargic and at one time was slightly anaemic. To be honest I do think it worked for him and he was easier to keep fit, didn't seem to get out of puff as much etc. Guess it depends what you are wanting the supplement to do. You can buy linseed/flax oil if you want to improve the coat or just a generla vitamin supplement - we feed ours on NAF's general vitamin supplement and they all seem to look good on it. i also have mine on Equidermis as he suffers from itchy skin (i am yet to see whether this is helping) and have him on Topspec 10:10 joint supplement - he's been on this a few years (he's 20 now). It was a preventative though so i have no clue if it's done anything - he doesn't suffer with stiffness though so maybe!

Did you feed any other supplements along with the salts or just them on their own?

 

[ladyt25]

I can't remember now to be honest - think I had him on a competition mix at the time as well as he has always needed energy feeds (or did when I did a lot more competing anyway). I think I only had him on a supplement for his feet (farriers formula or something), think that was about it. That was before i had him on the joint stuff as well. We did compare the kossolian and formula for feet/farriers formula (can't remember which one I had) and they actually were pretty similar only the feet supplement had biotin which kossolian doesn't. I figured i didn't need the extra bloos salts really so took him off that and didn't notice any particular difference.

I have to say though he is feeling a little flat at the moment so I was considering whether to start him back on the kossolian or whether that is really overkill on the supplements!!! Lol

 

[paddy555]

http://www.equimins-online.com/all-products/2-equimins-advance-concentrate-powder.html

babybear, the analysis of meta balance is in my earlier post, the above link to the equimins site gives you the analysis of advance concentrate. Still a good choice but the meta balance is better. You will see differences in the copper, zinc and I think lysine from memory. Meta balance has higher levels and also there is no iron in meta balance. Marginally it is very slightly more expensive. I have had my old arab on advanced concentrate and his coat has improved considerably (as has all of him actually) but I shall soon be moving him onto meta balance along with my other 2 as it is just a higher spec supplement.

Cannot find an analysis of kossolian salts.

The pro hoof (which I think works out more expensive) is also a very good choice. It is an all round supplement.

Like you I cannot balance my minerals as I buy in too much hay for different sources. My choices for best quality are the meta balance and the pro hoof. ( I think both are equally good choices)