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no matter how experianced you are, no matter if you had bute, and a stable etc,., if you had a suspected lami case on your hand would you call a vet or think you can deal with it yourself

NOT my pony.. but a connections., pony went down hill fast to the point really could not take a step. all things point to lami and its had it before.

IMO its a bad case. but owner is brushing it off and will not call a vet

what would you do?

(im not good a seeing a ned suffer and this is really bothering me.. will ad I did not know owner till tonight and have no knowledge of her or her experiance how ever putting said pony in a rat infested stinking stable didnt impress me. )
 
so a stable fulll of hay that sheep have used for weeks, and that has rats running about whilst 3 people in the stable would be even more of a concern yes?
 
Vet, stable, deep, deep bed of shavings to support feet.

Stable full of rats and hay is disgraceful. I don't know how some people can sleep at night knowing that their pony is in terrible pain and dreadful conditions.
 
A recent article in Horse magazine offered a parallel in order to give people an impression of how serious laminitus is. They said in human terms it is like having a heart attack.

If you thought a friend or relative (or even a total stranger) was having a heart attack, would you call an ambulance, or tell them to sit quietly with a nice cuppa tea?

I am constantly horrified at peoples attitude to laminitus, both in terms of treatment (or lack of) and also of recovery time.
 
NeilM said:
A recent article in Horse magazine offered a parallel in order to give people an impression of how serious laminitus is. They said in human terms it is like having a heart attack.

If you thought a friend or relative (or even a total stranger) was having a heart attack, would you call an ambulance, or tell them to sit quietly with a nice cuppa tea?

I am constantly horrified at peoples attitude to laminitus, both in terms of treatment (or lack of) and also of recovery time.
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I totally agree. Its deadly serious, as well as the welfare implications of the agonising pain.
 
Absolutely a no brainer in my mind, all of the above regarding deep shavings etc and get the vet out immediately.
 
amymay said:
Laminitis, like colic, should always be treated as an emergency. So yes the vet would be called.
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Defintely agree and the vet can give I/V pain relief if needed. Bute may not be enough for a severe case initially. :(
can you get her to soak the hay too? :(

I actually feel not getting a vet especially in a case severe laminitis and pain is a welfare issue. :mad:
 
IMO its a bad case. but owner is brushing it off and will not call a vet
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I'm assuming you are at a livery yard - in which case the YO should be calling the vet on the owners behalf if they behave. The responsibility is equally his........
 
amymay said:
Laminitis, like colic, should always be treated as an emergency. So yes the vet would be called.
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Thank you, I said this in vet section the other day and it was poo poo'd

I think if you're in any doubt get the vet so you know what treatment should be used, if it turns out to be mild then all well and good
 
Oh dear lord, as hard as it is I'd just get em told, be it a connection, friend, worst enemy...what ever, sounds like they need a kick up the backside and vet calling asap if the poor pony is crippled and has already gone down once, that's appauling.

Lami can catch anyone out at the best of times but at least if you are doing something about it then fair enough but if not..well.

Can the YO not step in?
 
My horse came down with lami 3 weeks ago, he couldn't weight bare on any leg once he moved it so was pretty much collapsing every time he tried to take a step, I knew exactly what it was and called the vet straight away, I told her what was wrong and that I was struggling to get him in, my instincts were to get him in to a deep bed whilst we waited for them. Vet said if I couldn't to leave him where he was until she could get down with IV painkillers. Bless him, he tried his heart out and it took me over an hour to get him to his stable, this is usually a 3 min walk.

Vet gave him the biggest dose of painkiller I had seen, then insisted on giving 2 danilon orally so it would take over when the IV started to fade, feed was totally cut back but enough for his meds, hay cut back and soaked for 12 hours min, he is still on box rest today but finished meds yesterday.

It was a quick onset and looked horrific but I got to him in time and no rotation, however leaving it as this person has is likely to have devastating results. I would have to report it if someone did that on my yard.
 
amy may the story.

first of all no livey yard invloved,

pony was kept at the same place as my lad, not overly fat to look at but does have a huge crest (13hh welsh type pony)
the pony was on loan to lets say A,

i was up the fields yesterday sat having a ciggy and noticed the pony not right, went for a poke and prod and couldnt find anything, pony has lost a shoe on the front so intially thought this, tried t oget pony to move it wasnt keen by this stage after watching some more I couldnt decided which leg it was and at times he was taking the lami stance.

tried calling A.. couldnt get hold of her so called her friend down, she agreed pony needed bet A turns up at this point wont call a vet but goes of to find owner, some time later the owner appears lets call her B.

B says lami and get the pony to a stable, our stables are a 10 minute walk from the field I SAID he wont make it..

at this point A decideds to tell B that she doesnt want pony so B says she will take him home tomorrow. WTF!

anyway get pony out of field and hes gone down hill quick decided to box him straight to Bs.

my hubby took the remaning shoe off and I syringed a bute down, pony got given a dirty bucket of water.
the stable has been used for sheep/chickens to the extent the rats have dug holes in and out and were running about in the stbale whilst we were there.

I did ask if she had hay she said yes but I couldnt see any hay where we were.

I personally think the pony needed it a vet he had gone down in the 4 hours since id first noticed him.

later saw B at the pub so deffinatly no vet had been called. maybe she will today.

I just felt a bit hit it the guts at the overal state of pony/stable.
 
Pony's living conditions would be unacceptable even without the lami involved.
I feel for you, as its a horrible position to be in, knowing the pony needs a vet, but seeing the owner play roulette with his health.
Personally I would call the BHS welfare dept, tell them whats going on, and then let them go and deal with it.
That way you have done all you can for the pony.
 
Would this not be a welfare issue? I would make a call WHW.

How on earth people can see it and do nothing is beyond my comprehension, owners should have a couple of paving slabs dropped on their feet to see how they like it!!
 
You could also call the BHS welfare officer for the county, they are experienced horse people, are a bit "official" so not like a neighbour, know who to get in touch with if an official response/action is required.

Because laminitis is so common, it is seen as commonplace, when in fact it is a very, very painful condition and can lead to death after a great deal of suffering if not dealt with straight away. Action is the most important thing, as it can be prevented from progressing if the correct treatment is given.
 
im going to pop up i think, will leave a note on the stable with my details case woman wants any help but also check on ponys conditon she may of done more by now. if no improvement will make the call, i need to go and check my lad is ok anyway.

will be going in about half hour.
 
jhoward said:
im going to pop up i think, will leave a note on the stable with my details case woman wants any help but also check on ponys conditon she may of done more by now. if no improvement will make the call, i need to go and check my lad is ok anyway.

will be going in about half hour.
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Let us know how you get on.
 
In B's defence she wasn't expecting to have to take the pony back and did so very suddenly so the stable wasn't prepared. I would hope buy now she's sorted it out and got the vet. Intrested to see how this one pans out.
 
just got back, very unhappy pony, no water stable the same although he had been given lovely lush dry hay :mad:

just going to google bhs welfare, just some one to tell her its unacceptable is needed and pony really needs a vet IMO.
 
bhs are treating as urgent and sending officer in, they will call and update up me.

god some one in the village is goin gto be cursing me! oh well,. that just wasnt accecptable, i siad to hubby wasnt like id gone up early B had had a chance to go up clear stable do water etc.
 
jhoward said:
bhs are treating as urgent and sending officer in, they will call and update up me.

god some one in the village is goin gto be cursing me! oh well,. that just wasnt accecptable, i siad to hubby wasnt like id gone up early B had had a chance to go up clear stable do water etc.
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Good on you! :) I'm so, so pleased to read BHS are treating it as urgent. Good on them too.

Hope the pony gets sorted and some decent pain relief. :)
 
Well done on the call.

Little Lad is prone and we know the routine like the back of our hands now. Fingers crossed its not hit for well over a year now.

I hope the pony gets seen to very quickly.
 
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