Scarlett
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Does anyone know if there is an official line/rule/law over the time a puppy/dog should be kept in a crate or cage?
Thanks!
Thanks!
Laws on putting dogs in crates/cages...
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CorvusCorax
'Do you come here often?'
Not that I am aware of.
If the dog were unable to stand up, turn around etc it would be a welfare issue certainly but apart from that I don't think there is a time limit laid down by law.
If the dog were unable to stand up, turn around etc it would be a welfare issue certainly but apart from that I don't think there is a time limit laid down by law.
Scarlett
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Thanks very much
itsme123
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The welfare act could come into play :
*For a suitable environment (place to live)
*For a suitable diet
*To exhibit normal behaviour patterns obviously, being crated for 23 hours a day does not allow this
*To be housed with, or apart from, other animals (if applicable)
*To be protected from pain, injury, suffering and disease any behavioural issues caused by over crating an animal could come under this
*For a suitable environment (place to live)
*For a suitable diet
*To exhibit normal behaviour patterns obviously, being crated for 23 hours a day does not allow this
*To be housed with, or apart from, other animals (if applicable)
*To be protected from pain, injury, suffering and disease any behavioural issues caused by over crating an animal could come under this
Scarlett
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ok, so what if a 7 month old puppy was currently crated Mon - Fri from around 8am until 5pmish, during that time he would be taken out twice - normally one spell of 30-60 min and one of 20-30 and not put in the crate at any other times. Puppy lives on a yard and spends 4-5 hours a day outside, inc going out before 8am for a runabout and long walk in the evening, thus he sleeps most of the day when in crate. Puppy is very well behaved and has no behavioural issues at all, nor health issues. Crate is 2'1 x 3'6 and puppy has loads of room in it to move about. Once puppy is a bit older he will have the run of the kitchen/dining area and will still go out at the same times. Puppy did go with me to work originally, unfortuntaely I had to change jobs and this is no longer an option - however I do work less hours now so it does mean being able to do more walking etc.
Does this sound horrendously unreasonable?
Does this sound horrendously unreasonable?
CorvusCorax
'Do you come here often?'
It's not the worst set up I've ever heard of! If you have to work, you have to work, better than being broke and not able to pay vets fees and better that he isn't stuck in a kennel block looking for a home.
Is someone giving you a hard time?
What breed is he?
Is someone giving you a hard time?
What breed is he?
itsme123
Well-Known Member
Sounds okay to me. Not as ideal as you being married to a millionaire and being home all day and it having free run of a hundred acre estate. But as you don't have that luxury (I'm assuming) you have to go to work, the pup is provided for, and well looked after and loved. The very fact you're worried about it says that you're a caring owner.
Plenty of dogs stay home 8-5 with a couple of 'wee runs' a day.
Plenty of dogs stay home 8-5 with a couple of 'wee runs' a day.
CAYLA
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I agree with CC, its not ideal and its by far no the worst life he could be living and he is probably in very safe/loving hands, as long as time spent out of there is stimualting and he is left stimulating treats and he seems happy in himself then the alternative is to rehome I assume, where will he end up? in the pound? in a concrete kennels with no release at all> living in the country, chasing bunnies with human company all day (possibly, but doubtful) there are not endless loving and secure homes out there.
CAYLA
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Just saw you OP, no there is no law, jsut a recommended time, no longer than 4 hours without a break/walk/exercise.
Also he wont be in there all his life, you are creating a routine so that he can be left out one day, it s a temporary routine.
Also he wont be in there all his life, you are creating a routine so that he can be left out one day, it s a temporary routine.
Scarlett
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Thank you for your replies.
The girl who gave him to us - he was the result of her leaving her boxer bitch with her entire spaniel dog, not exactly a responsible act - thinks we are sick to leave him in a cage and is apparently coming to take him away tomorrow and give him to the RSPCA. She has access to my home/yard during the day as she occasionally comes and rides my horses (she is the sis of my one and only livery and good friend) so I am rather worried and upset as you can imagine. Puppy is adored by me and OH, goes everywhere he can with us, sleeps on the end of our bed, and in return is a lovely, lovely boy to own. I doubt that a welfare officer would agree with her if they came and met us and puppy - however she has prior form in 'taking' dogs so I'm obviously rather worried.
The girl who gave him to us - he was the result of her leaving her boxer bitch with her entire spaniel dog, not exactly a responsible act - thinks we are sick to leave him in a cage and is apparently coming to take him away tomorrow and give him to the RSPCA. She has access to my home/yard during the day as she occasionally comes and rides my horses (she is the sis of my one and only livery and good friend) so I am rather worried and upset as you can imagine. Puppy is adored by me and OH, goes everywhere he can with us, sleeps on the end of our bed, and in return is a lovely, lovely boy to own. I doubt that a welfare officer would agree with her if they came and met us and puppy - however she has prior form in 'taking' dogs so I'm obviously rather worried.
CAYLA
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Well if she was not such an irrisponsible knobber herself he would not be in any kind of situation she dissagrees with a boxer and spaniel, sorry you puppy is probably lovely, but what an irrisponsible X, and to hand it to the RSPCA, what in f31cks name does she think will happen to the dog then, he will sit in a rowdy kennel block with hundreds of dogs barking and screaming for possibly years and with NO HOME VISIT when he goes, so he could end up fecking well anywhere.
AND why the hell is she breeding irrisponsibly then expecting her dogs off spring to fill the rescue kennels, cos she does not want it back herself no doubt selfish bloody cow.
She sounds like she needs a smack, can she get access to your house?
The RSPCA would do bugger all if she called them either.
a boxer and spaniel, sorry you puppy is probably lovely, but what an irrisponsible X, and to hand it to the RSPCA, what in f31cks name does she think will happen to the dog then, he will sit in a rowdy kennel block with hundreds of dogs barking and screaming for possibly years and with NO HOME VISIT when he goes, so he could end up fecking well anywhere.AND why the hell is she breeding irrisponsibly then expecting her dogs off spring to fill the rescue kennels, cos she does not want it back herself no doubt
selfish bloody cow.She sounds like she needs a smack, can she get access to your house?
The RSPCA would do bugger all if she called them either.
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suzysparkle
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Sounds absolutely fine. All mine have been crate trained and they all love going in a crate. Time for R&R!! Our big van is all caged out and we frequently go away for rallies with them. People go to races on the continent for weeks at a time and the dogs live in vans. All the dogs are happy and healthy. Mine all live in an outside run (big) as a pack but they do sleep and chill a lot!!
Sorry but no-one responsible leaves an entire male with an in season bitch. It's very obvious when a bitch is in season if you know anything about them.
CAYLA
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I have PM'ed you a few suggestions and advice.
The main issues is making sure she does not get him, I personally would stop her and her sisters access to your yard, make sure you change locks and until then take him with you in the car, the last thing you want if she is capable of it, is the pup being gone when you get home and having no way of finding out where he is
Inform the police of her threat also.
The main issues is making sure she does not get him, I personally would stop her and her sisters access to your yard, make sure you change locks and until then take him with you in the car, the last thing you want if she is capable of it, is the pup being gone when you get home and having no way of finding out where he is
Inform the police of her threat also.
Scarlett
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puppies were an 'accident' that were then attempted to be aborted - they survived ( there were two) and we took one, her sister the other. The pups see each other everyday.
At the moment she has access to the house - our front door doesnt lock properly and she has the code to the security gates - but we will sort that. Also puppy will be microchipped tomorrow so he willhave our details on him.
Thanks again for replies.
At the moment she has access to the house - our front door doesnt lock properly and she has the code to the security gates - but we will sort that. Also puppy will be microchipped tomorrow so he willhave our details on him.
Thanks again for replies.
CAYLA
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Please do take him with you until you get the security sorted, def chip him tomorrow.
Is it the siter who has told the sister who gave you him that u crate him or has she found out another way?
Is it the siter who has told the sister who gave you him that u crate him or has she found out another way?
Scarlett
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staying at home tomorrow, a so I can keep an eye on him and B, so I will be there if she turns up, then I can call authorities etc.
Will call local RSPCA and police tomorrow to let them know situation. Also plan to confirm her address and do what is required to secure house.
I read the perfect quote on a mountain biking forum the other day - and it seems so apt..
'the more people I meet the more I like dogs'...
Will call local RSPCA and police tomorrow to let them know situation. Also plan to confirm her address and do what is required to secure house.
I read the perfect quote on a mountain biking forum the other day - and it seems so apt..
'the more people I meet the more I like dogs'...
CAYLA
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Good, if she comes lock him upstairs before you engage in chat (unless you are like me, then jsut knock her head off)
and make sure u chip him early then if police come and she argues he is hers, say "erm no he is chipped to me" registered to me at the vets and insured by me, even if he is not they dont know and it sounds good.Tell your friend (her sis) security is tight now on the yard as someone tried to break in, so no more letting yourself in, I will meet you at whatever time for you to ride, if u still want her on the yard at all.
If need be buy get a huge guard dog to run loose
EAST KENT
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As long as the pup has water available at all times (an RSPCA thing) that pup sounds in clover compared to many,many show dogs of my knowledge! Don`t worry ,most folks are just "mouth and trousers". Real thieves never tell the person they intend to thieve off!
littlemisslauren
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OP- You poor thing You gave an unwanted pup a home and have done the best you can by it and then this irresponsible complete tit has decided she knows best and to rip your family apart (I have no kids.... dogs are family )
I second Cayla - knock her out! I would make sure you have alot of trusted people at the house for a couple of days (Big strong men preferably!), borrow a big scary sounding dog and change all security.
My puppy is 6 months, she is crated 8 - 4.30/5pm when I am at work. She gets an hours break at lunch time to run around / do wee wees / do a little bit of training then she is back in the crate untill i finish work. She has the radio left on all day and has kongs / bones / lots of toys in her crate with her while she is alone.
Some days (if neighbours are off) she will be let out for 2 small walks as well as lunch time, but this is not everyday.
Like you we are trying to build up to her eventually having the run of the living room / kitchen during the day.
If you are being cruel to your puppy so are many of us on here.
You gave an unwanted pup a home and have done the best you can by it and then this irresponsible complete tit has decided she knows best and to rip your family apart (I have no kids.... dogs are family )I second Cayla - knock her out! I would make sure you have alot of trusted people at the house for a couple of days (Big strong men preferably!), borrow a big scary sounding dog and change all security.
My puppy is 6 months, she is crated 8 - 4.30/5pm when I am at work. She gets an hours break at lunch time to run around / do wee wees / do a little bit of training then she is back in the crate untill i finish work. She has the radio left on all day and has kongs / bones / lots of toys in her crate with her while she is alone.
Some days (if neighbours are off) she will be let out for 2 small walks as well as lunch time, but this is not everyday.
Like you we are trying to build up to her eventually having the run of the living room / kitchen during the day.
If you are being cruel to your puppy so are many of us on here.
splashgirl45
Lurcher lover
just another to support you. sounds like you are doing a great job in the circumstances.. so much better for the pup to be in a regular routine. how much better to be in a loving home than in the rspca kennels!!!! we need piccies when you update us....paisley
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Humph- God, if the potential puppy snatcher thinks your routine is cruel, she'd best come and swipe mine as well! I'll just go and tell him a better home is out there, as soon as he wakes up from his afternoon nap! Good luck anyway, sounds like a lovely home. x
Fenris
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This could be a problem.
Have you anything in writing to show that he was given to you and that OWNERSHIP was transferred to you?
Old legal saying - possession is nine thenths of the law.
If you have him she has to take legal action to get him back. So I agree with those saying keep him safe and away from potential dognappers.
But please everyone - if you are getting an animal from ANY source make sure you have a written document stating the animal is now 100% yours.
We all have our own views on how animals should be kept and there is nothing worse than watching someone treat an animal you rehomed/sold/whatever in a way you believe is cruel or negligent. So if there are to be conditions in the transfer then make sure it is all written down and signed by both.
One last thought for the OP - print out some of the horrors the RSPCA have done - 50% animals killed, admitting they boltgunned 65 dogs in a year etc. Might make her realise this dog doesn't have such a bad deal after all!