Petpony
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Hi there, I just bought a mini Donkey and wondered if you legally have to change of microchip or can I just get away with changing the passport and leave the microchip?
Thanks.
Thanks.
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legally change of microchip?
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popsdosh
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Dont know quite what your getting at as legally you cannot change either. If you mean entering you as owner you will need to do that with whoever issued the passport.
Petpony
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I mean you have to change the ownership of the passport within 30 days, I've just done that tonight online. But do you have change the microchip or can I just leave that in the last owners name. There's next to no chance of him getting lost so don't see the point of paying to get that changed
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ester
Not slacking multitasking
Depending on who the microchip is with it might not cost you anything to change the details associated with it anyway. I'm pretty sure we didn't pay/it was very little money compared to passport.
Petpony
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It was £15 to change the ownership of the Donkey (http://www.horsepassportagency.co.uk/). It's pretty easy doing it online compared to the Shetland pony stud book society where you have to send the passport back in the mail with £20 (I have three shelties). The microchip of the Donkey is with petlog. You have to print off a form, fill it in, send it off with £16. If I don't legally have change that then I would just leave it.
popsdosh
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No you are not required to change the details . The only legal requirement is change of owner in the passport.
Petpony
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Thank you popsdosh, much appreciated.
Shay
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I think you might have confused an equine microchip with a pet microchip. With a pet microchip if the animal is lost (or I suppose more precisely found!) a vet scans the chip and notifies the owner registered. When a pet changes ownership you need to go through PetID and change the contact details for the chip. With equines the chip is only a unique serial number. All it does is confirm the identity of the animal. That then cross references to the number written in the passport. They aren't used to notify an owner in the same way - although if the passport rules are complied with then the chip number can be used to identify the registered owner.
stormox
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It is sensible to update the microchip details though, if its registered to a separate agency than the passport, else if horse is stolen and you have passport in your cupboard, anyone who finds the stolen animal cant trace it back to you, only to whoever first registered it.
Shay
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I thought the unique number always cross referenced to the PIO? Is there a make of chip where this doesn't happen? That would make a mockery of the passport laws.
Oh... they already are...
Oh... they already are...
stormox
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Shay, There are so many PIO's - breed societys in all countrys, pet identity agencys- the now defunct databases- unless you know which PIO to go to they wont be able to trace passport and therefore wont know owner.
The only slight chance is to go to 'microchip lookup' site, which can tell you make of chip, there are loads, then manufacturer can say to which vet/implanter they sold it, then you might be able to find out name of whoever had animal chipped. There is no centralised database. Same is true for dogs etc.
The only slight chance is to go to 'microchip lookup' site, which can tell you make of chip, there are loads, then manufacturer can say to which vet/implanter they sold it, then you might be able to find out name of whoever had animal chipped. There is no centralised database. Same is true for dogs etc.
twiggy2
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you do not legally have to change any details on the ID chip registration, however if any animal found animal is scanned and an id chip is found then there are central registration bases that are called (I don't know how many, we used animed at work) if it is not their chip they will tell you whose it is and give you a number-from there you can get details of the registered keeper of the animal (if you are a vets or authority) then you can contact them direct about the found animal.
It is not a legal requirement to change the details but a passport will not get your animal back to you and an id chip might,
It is not a legal requirement to change the details but a passport will not get your animal back to you and an id chip might,
stormox
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Twiggy2, unless the chip has been updated to current owner, the chip will only be able to be traced back to the last person the microchip was registered to. Thats why its important to update microchip details. Its not illegalnot to, but it rather defeats the purpose of the microchip.
popsdosh
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Really depends if you look on the chip being a viable means of security as to me unless its visible its not.
If an animal goes missing it is very easy then to pass on the chip number to the authorities which will then cover all bases. What benefit do you realistically get for your £16 transfer fee as they only do what you can do anyhow. A lot of horses nowadays are chipped with generic chips anyhow ie I buy my own as they are a ripoff through these companies.
Toby_Zaphod
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Legally you only need to change the ownership on the passport. You have a microchip in your horse & the reason that is there is so if the horse it stolen/strays the chip can be read & the horse returned to the owner. If you don't change the details regarding the microchip then you're wasting your time having one.
popsdosh
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How are you ! in case it has escaped your notice its a legal requirement to have a chip to obtain a passport .
To be honest if as an owner you havent noticed your horse has gone missing you dont deserve it back. If you are looking for it there are many databases that you can contact.
ester
Not slacking multitasking
I think that depends when they were chipped, F was chipped by his previous owners years ago and I'm sure it is a PetID one.
stormox
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But surely if someone finds a horse- they check for a chip and find one- it makes sense to have that chip registered to yourself, the owner, so it can be got back to you easily. If its still registered to the old owner (who might have moved, died, anything) itd be harder to get back to you.
Same goes for abandoned horses- I thought microchips were meant to show who they belonged to, so they could be brought to justice.
Same goes for abandoned horses- I thought microchips were meant to show who they belonged to, so they could be brought to justice.
popsdosh
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They can be traced through the PIO s
Toby_Zaphod
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Popdosh you are being very patronising aren't you? The microchip databases are not always linked through to the passport issuing agencies. If you ensure that the microchip supplier is informed of the change of ownership then there is a better chance of the owner being located when the chip is scanned in the horse.
PeterNatt
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Just to bring you up to date on the legislation that covers this:
The European Union (EU) Standing committee on the Food Chain and Animal Health announced changes on 15th September 2014 which will mean that every foal will have to be issued with a single passport with a unique identification number before it's first birthday.
Under the new regulations all horses born after the 01 July 2009 will have to be microchipped with a microchip made to the new European standard ISO 11784 & 11785 so that their records can be checked and updated and serve as a passport.
It will be compulsory for all this information to be stored on a centralised database for all EU member states. However these new rules will not come into force until 2016.
In strict legal terms the passport should be with the designated carer of the horse. The person loaning the horse should be given the passport once they have possession of the horse. If the horse is kept at a livery yard then the livery yard should be in possession of the passport. When the horse is travelling to a competition etc then the passport should accompany the horse.
Passports are not proof of ownership. They where purely introduced, so that the pharmaceutical history of a horse could be recorded so that drugs could not enter the human food chain when the horse is slaughtered.
Proof of identity of the horse is best achieved by freezemarking a horse on it's shoulder and as a second best micro-chipping the horse. (All horses born in Europe after June of next year will have to be microchipped with a microchip to the new European standard ISO 11784 & 11785 within 3 months of birth).
Proof of ownership is achieved by having the 'Bill of Sale'.
The European Union (EU) Standing committee on the Food Chain and Animal Health announced changes on 15th September 2014 which will mean that every foal will have to be issued with a single passport with a unique identification number before it's first birthday.
Under the new regulations all horses born after the 01 July 2009 will have to be microchipped with a microchip made to the new European standard ISO 11784 & 11785 so that their records can be checked and updated and serve as a passport.
It will be compulsory for all this information to be stored on a centralised database for all EU member states. However these new rules will not come into force until 2016.
In strict legal terms the passport should be with the designated carer of the horse. The person loaning the horse should be given the passport once they have possession of the horse. If the horse is kept at a livery yard then the livery yard should be in possession of the passport. When the horse is travelling to a competition etc then the passport should accompany the horse.
Passports are not proof of ownership. They where purely introduced, so that the pharmaceutical history of a horse could be recorded so that drugs could not enter the human food chain when the horse is slaughtered.
Proof of identity of the horse is best achieved by freezemarking a horse on it's shoulder and as a second best micro-chipping the horse. (All horses born in Europe after June of next year will have to be microchipped with a microchip to the new European standard ISO 11784 & 11785 within 3 months of birth).
Proof of ownership is achieved by having the 'Bill of Sale'.
twiggy2
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Yes and that person is the registered keeper of the animal, so we agree-not sure where that post was mis understood
twiggy2
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So 8am I (for example) leave the yard, my horse/s are turned out in a field, 8.05am horse gets chased through the fence by a dog (it did happen to one of mine) and horse is loose on the road, 20 mins later horse is caught and scanned by a vet, 9am I get a call to tell me my horse has been caught a mile from where it is kept it is fine and can I collect it. without the chip I would not know till 7pm that my horse was missing by which time everywhere is shut to see if anyone has heard anything.
It makes sense to keep registered details on the id chip up to date just in case
Edited to add, I agree freeze branding is the best form of theft deterrent and indentification