"Little girl shows pony that shes in control"

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Just found this video on YouTube (forgive the lack of apostrophe, that's how it was written) while looking at something else.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cc08oZYZAeY

The child in question seems to have straps holding her legs in place - is this a thing? Unless she has a disability, (which doesn't seem to be the case looking at her moving her legs), how can this be any good for teaching her to have an independent seat? That and the fact that she hits the pony for the second refusal without having presented it to the fence properly to give it any chance of jumping has left a bad taste in my mouth.
 
Looks like the American equivalent of working hunter, the straps being a clothing accessory and not attached to the saddle. The first refusal you can see her legs moving off the saddle.

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They're called garters. No clue why they're still used, they're only used for shows and patents spend ages trying to figure them out the day of the show!
 
Well you learn something new every day. I'm actually quite impressed at how still her legs are are! They don't seem to move at the point where the straps are. Maybe I should invent some straps for my own legs.
 
I liked the calm voice of the mum (presumably) I have heard so much screeching from outside the ring ,over the years. Pony knows the drill,pony pushes luck and gets a tap . That kid isnt strong enough to hurt the pony. Pony circles and still isnt right so gets another tap and circle , good riding whether by luck or intention. I have seen far worse by prospective stage 3 candidates ,seriously!!
 
sallyg said:
That and the fact that she hits the pony for the second refusal without having presented it to the fence properly to give it any chance of jumping has left a bad taste in my mouth.
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That and the title of the video for me (not sure if it was posted by anyone who actually knew the rider).

I mean, sure, seen worse. But the approach of teaching kids to hit horses when what you wanted to happen doesn't (regardless of why) is a bit off.

I love the stables I know which doesn't let any beginner, or any child at all, even carry a stick. Obviously ppl can do other things but the idea of no short cuts/not venting on the pony is healthy I think.

Edited to Add: Mike007 I think the OP was referring to a refusal at a later fence where there is more hitting and absolutely no way pony could have sensibly jumped from the circle round.
 
sallyg said:
Well you learn something new every day. I'm actually quite impressed at how still her legs are are! They don't seem to move at the point where the straps are. Maybe I should invent some straps for my own legs.
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This is the good thing about the US system. You learn with the goal of equitation classes. You get drilled and drilled so your leg stays still. The number of grids and the amount of time I spent in 2point while living over there.
 
Urgh if it were up to me no child would be riding with a whip or spurs until old enough to know how to use them correctly. Then again Ive seen some shocking riding from adults to.
Call me a soft touch but I cringe all the time at shows as they are full of whip happy idiots who use it to make up for lack of riding ability.
 
MouseInLux said:
This is the good thing about the US system. You learn with the goal of equitation classes. You get drilled and drilled so your leg stays still. The number of grids and the amount of time I spent in 2point while living over there.
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But I think, possibly wrongly, that she is riding in two point position as it makes it easier for her to not get left behind when jumping, but with this pony she should have been taught to sit up and ride the pony strongly forward into the jump. That is the fault of the teacher.
 
wren123 said:
But I think, possibly wrongly, that she is riding in two point position as it makes it easier for her to not get left behind when jumping, but with this pony she should have been taught to sit up and ride the pony strongly forward into the jump. That is the fault of the teacher.
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This is hunt seat equitation, not what is normal in the U.K., they all ride in a forward light seat. The horses and ponies in this class are expected to go over fences without you working (well it's not supposed to be obvious) to get them over the jumps.
 
sallyg said:
Just found this video on YouTube (forgive the lack of apostrophe, that's how it was written) while looking at something else.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cc08oZYZAeY

The child in question seems to have straps holding her legs in place - is this a thing? Unless she has a disability, (which doesn't seem to be the case looking at her moving her legs), how can this be any good for teaching her to have an independent seat? That and the fact that she hits the pony for the second refusal without having presented it to the fence properly to give it any chance of jumping has left a bad taste in my mouth.
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It's a little child learning one extra smack is not going to affect the pony who was entirely unconcerned by the whole thing .
The child misjuged her turn to represent after the second stop no big deal she's a learning .
Very nice to see a pony wearing minimal tack.
 
MouseInLux said:
This is hunt seat equitation, not what is normal in the U.K., they all ride in a forward light seat. The horses and ponies in this class are expected to go over fences without you working (well it's not supposed to be obvious) to get them over the jumps.
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Yes it's very different and there's no doult that Americans do show jump a bit differently and I think the fact lots of them do classes like this when small helps that soft forward way many of them jump when older .
 
Gallop_Away said:
Urgh if it were up to me no child would be riding with a whip or spurs until old enough to know how to use them correctly. Then again Ive seen some shocking riding from adults to.
Call me a soft touch but I cringe all the time at shows as they are full of whip happy idiots who use it to make up for lack of riding ability.
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I could not agree with you more, I avoid shows these days with the growling and the hitting (not to mention the over sized egos of the whip happy contigent).

Why didn't Mum name the video "little girl shows pony Mommy has given her a whip and taught her how to use it".

My children never got their hands on one, not that they would have wanted to hit their pony anyway.
 
GirlFriday said:
I mean, sure, seen worse. But the approach of teaching kids to hit horses when what you wanted to happen doesn't (regardless of why) is a bit off.

I love the stables I know which doesn't let any beginner, or any child at all, even carry a stick.
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This. My son will not carry a stick, I really dont get why a child this young needs to have one and be told to use it. I dont ride with a whip anymore myself, I see no point as I never use it and would never use it for punishment, I therefore would never encourage my child to do the same. IMO a pony stops at a fence, the kid did something wrong - they shouldnt be taught that its the horses fault and it should be punished for it IMO.

I now have an issue with my sons pony as she's taken a dislike to other peoples whips at events, a fellow kid uses a long schooling whip and as mine isnt used to whips she's started spooking at it. So now I have to get my old whip back out to try and get her used to it which is a bit of a shame.
 
Isn't it obligatory in some classes to carry a short stick?
I might be wrong, though. Also I have no idea how things work over the pond.
 
Ok, throwing my own two cents in. I didn't think the little girl was that bad a rider at all, not in comparison to the yanking and pony club kicking over here in the U.K. I witness on a regular basis! I loved her lower leg! The only thing that confuses me is the thinking that after a refusal you bring the pony to the fence and then smack it before properly representing. What is that teaching the pony? I get a quick tap straight after a refusal, but surely bringing her to the fence and then smacking then turning her away is reinforcing something negative assosocated with looking at the fence?

I could be wrong, just never seen someone taught to handle a refusal this way?
 
Horse who have been trained to understand the whip don't get spooked by them .
I would rather see a child use the whip as that child did that bang on with the leg .
So the third hit was not ideal I suspect the rider having picked a bad line she felt the pony thinking no way from here and aborted the mission and gave the pony a smack.
All it needs is mum to say you must get your lines correct or the pony will stop and you should not blame the pony when you have made the mistake .
I don't understand why someone would put this out there on the internet but is it not awful gosh no you will see much worse at any show near you .
The pony is never punished for going forward the child show no temper and the pony not wearing a lot of nasty kit .Verses what you see out and about it's a lucky pony
 
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