Little training queries

[poiuytrewq]

As you all know I have an unplanned new addition. He's slotted in pretty well, He accepts and listens to the others if they tell him off which I'm pleased with. He's going to end up a lot bigger than the terrorists so needed putting in place a bit now!
He has also very quickly learnt that cats and chickens stand their ground round here and lost interest in both already.

Eating is a slight issue, He is a grab a bit and wander type. I can't leave food down because of the other dogs who hoover theirs up in seconds. So eating in the same room is awkward and being shut away is a no- We will settle with that, Not too worried as its early days!

He jumps up constantly, this is something Spud and Doug just never did so not one I've taught. I was saying down and pushing him down with no fuss or eye contact. Then i thought he seems to think that's quite fun, so just step away and say no maybe?

Then night time, again i guess I've been very lucky here. I've never been given a sleepless night , assume because they are always in with the other dogs so not alone. Bertie, already off his mother and slept outdoors so i don't think its a need for human company and sleeping in our room isn't a thing here, I blame Mr P for that, but in all honesty in the middle of winter when they go for a last wee in the rain I don't then want dogs coming up to bed because they are wet and dirty.
So, what do i do? put him to bed, he is in the same room as the other 3 but crated and ignore the noise?
He barked/yawled all night pretty much.
I did, not being sure what to do, go down stairs and let him into the garden in-case he needed a wee but all he wanted was to play, put him back in and ignored til 6am. He was clean and dry this morning.

I'd also like to be able to close him in the kitchen quietly to dry off or if we have people round for example, Should i start that now? How? He will be very loud. I made the mistake of not pushing that with Cecil and, as a result he is rubbish at it, but is so tiny, easy to clean and unbothered by visitors its fine.

Thank you!

 

[Bellaboo18]

Jumping up- just step back and you've got the behaviour you want (he'll be back on the floor) and soon give up.
Through the night we put an alarm on at first to let them out for a toilet break. I aim high for no accidents in the house. Other than that start as you mean to go on if that's where he's going to stay, yes I'd leave him downstairs in his crate.
Child gates are great for getting them used to things like drying off time. For now I'd crate with a chew while he drys off.

 

[AmyMay]

I set alarms to let Daisy out. last wee was when we went to bed, then set an alarm for about 2.00am then I was up at 6.00.

Put him in another room to eat quietly at his own pace.

Shut him and the other dogs out when you have visitors (if that’s what you want to do). They’ll soon get over themselves.

 

[CorvusCorax]

Let him eat on his own in peace.

How is he supposed to know what 'down' means? Also, 'down' to me means lie on the floor, not 'stop jumping up. And I push my dog away to build drive and play so I imagine he'll find it quite good fun. Easier to place your hand over his muzzle and put him back on the floor. 'Off' is a better cue word.

I'd give him time re noise at night, it's very early days and he's a strange place. Condition temporary isolation the same way as you'd condition anything, make it positive by associating it with something positive like a meal/bone/stuffed Kong etc.
If you want to train something, train it now, correctly, from day 1, rather than allowing behaviour then getting annoyed when it gets entrenched and changing the rules.

 

[poiuytrewq]

He won’t eat in a separate room or the crate. Today I have given the others a chew and him a bowl of food and just told them to leave him alone. He ate twice like that.

I went and let him out at about 3am but he just played madly
So it’s ok to leave him to bark? I just worry that may become a thing?
I’ve tried putting him in the crate with a kong and is in the room but he still just turns himself inside out. I waited for a slightly quieter second to let him back out- shall I just keep on with that? 5 minutes here and there?
I think I had it so easy with Doug and Cecil
Basil cried at first but literally half an hour when we went to bed then he was quiet til morning.

 

[poiuytrewq]

What do you all stuff kongs with?

 

[AmyMay]

He will eat if separated. Just sit quietly with him.

 

[poiuytrewq]

He will eat if separated. Just sit quietly with him.

Yes probably sorry I thought it was suggested totally separate as in a quiet room alone. I’m sure he will, he’s not been interested really with everything going on. I’m really not that worried about that. New dogs fitting into feeding have often taken me a few days to figure how’s best.

 

[Bellaboo18]

What do you all stuff kongs with?

Doggy peanut butter or just some of her normal meat

 

[skinnydipper]

He jumps up constantly,

Step back/turn away and walk away. Don't speak to him or touch. Any attention is a reward.

Praise and reward for all 4 paws on the floor.

 

[poiuytrewq]

Thanks that’s one of the most important things to me. I can’t bear dogs jumping up.
I know I’ve been very lucky the others just didn’t.

I’ve not tried peanut butter, I use a bit of Basils tins of butchers wet food but Bertie was very uninterested in that.

How good are the shaped biscuit things designed to fit a kong? Again never tried as they look like they would last two seconds.

 

[ArklePig]

My dog was a jump up to your face type when we first got her. It took us a while to work out pushing her down was lots of fun, and telling her to sit was worse than pointless because she was over excited.

I echo what others said about step back/turn away. If it gets zero reaction they'll soon give up. On particularly boisterous days I would have to quietly leave the room, come back in quietly and then give her a gentle fuss if she had 4 paws on the floor. Didn't take her long to get it and it won't take yours either. This also worked for incessant humping, just in case yours starts that too (hope he doesn't).

Re kongs, mine likes greek yogurt, banana, hot dogs, porridge with broth or egg in it, applesauce. We mostly use a lickimat though as she thinks kongs are balls and will sometimes drop it on your lap with hopeful eyes as the contents are starting to defrost

 

[Christmascinnamoncookie]

Watch out for xylitol in peanut butter, I think it has a new name, tho? V dangerous for dogs.

I put small bits of carrot, kibble, peanut butter, the raw meat they get, ham in kongs, although it’s the best game once they’re empty to try to steal everyone else’s.

 

[Errin Paddywack]

I would feed him in the crate but with the door open and stay beside it. My younger one still gets fed in her crate and she is 6. Door open but I can shut her in if I want to be certain she doesn't get any of Jesse's food. Just a question of him getting used to a routine. Mine shoots into her crate as soon as I start getting the feeds ready.

 

[Morwenna]

What do you all stuff kongs with?

Current favourites here are:
Tin of sardines in water blended with low fat cream cheese and water.
Blended sweet potato with mince and water.
Blended watermelon, blueberry and greek yogurt.
Peanut butter (I buy human organic stuff with no nasty sweeteners), banana and honey blended with some Greek yogurt and water.

 

[oldandgold]

None of mine have really jumped up - but on the odd occasions they did they got told no , I always use get down for a laying down and always sit never sit down.

 

[poiuytrewq]

Some quite exotic ideas! I only have one kong. I will get a few more.
I used to use a bit of cream cheese and dog food in for Cec but wasn’t sure on the dairy front.

Things are going well this evening. I’ve had Cecil and Bert playing tug of war with a tea towel, super cute. I had to help Bertie as Cecil Is surprisingly strong living up to Mr P ‘s nickname of sturdy boy!

 

[poiuytrewq]

I’m still the best but I have a brother now

 

[poiuytrewq]

A better night thank goodness. I pulled his crate right over by the others beds, I’m not wholeheartedly sure they loved that as spud was in the downstairs loo when I came down.
It’s cool in there though so may just have been that.

I wonder if the noise upsets them. It’s not distress through its very waggy tailed playful looking so I hope not.

 

[Clodagh]

They’ll get over it. .
Agree with CC, anything you allow now you have to allow when he’s 30kg, so teach good manners from day1. I wouldn’t sit with him while he eats, if he’s hungry he’ll eat it. Mine always got fed in the crate.
It’s a good thing to teach recall and sit while feeding too, although you might want to wait until he is more settled and actually wants to eat it. Mine get recall whistle very young, and tonnes of fuss for responding.

 

[Teaselmeg]

I give jumping up a different command, I use off, as down is lie down. Teach him to settle on a mat as well, that helps with self control. Make all 4 paws on the ground the most amazing thing ever.

I'm a don't let them cry it out person, its really bad for them to be distressed when they are young, teaches them to self soothe ( nobody comes when im distressed) and can affect stuff like recall and toilet training. I would have the crate by your bed for a week or two until he is sleeping through the night, then gradually move it out of the bedroom, onto the landing, then downstairs etc. He will most likely need a wee in the middle of the night for a week or two, they have tiny bladders and dogs are polyphasic sleepers ( sleep in shorter snatches than we do), so waking up at 3-4 in the morning is normal for them and takes a while for them to get used to sleeping longer.