TakeAChance
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I'm just interested really. Not saying anyone's right or wrong and certainly not wanting to start a heated debate, just wondering what people's opinions are and why 
Liverpool Cream - Why are some people so against it?
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Gorgeous George
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It was used on my horse's sarcoid by my vet about 3 years ago and I am pleased it was and was very pleased with the result. George didn't have any bad reaction to the cream, so didn't need to have bute and the sarcoid never got raw and nasty. It just shrunk and shrunk and all that is left now is a small flat hairless piece of skin.
So I was happy about it, also my vet and L'pool were very thorough and had to take quite a few photos and monitor the sarcoid for L'pool before the cream could be used.
So I was happy about it, also my vet and L'pool were very thorough and had to take quite a few photos and monitor the sarcoid for L'pool before the cream could be used.
kittykatcat
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I didn't realise people were against it??! The only thing I was against was the price!! Thankfully the insurance paid. It worked brilliantly for my horse - same experience as above really.
SophieLouBee
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I think, people are a bit cautious of it, because it's such an agressive form of treatment.
I didn't use it on my mare because she has very sensitive skin, and I for some tiny warts, it wasn't worth the risk of a massive reaction. So I went with 'hocus-pocus' (sarcex
) instead. It worked too! I'm using it on another mare who also has one, and it's crusting away.
Normally I probably would have used liverpool on a 'normal' horse, but now I've used sarc-ex, I'm totally converted! I was the ultimate cynic before hand!
I didn't use it on my mare because she has very sensitive skin, and I for some tiny warts, it wasn't worth the risk of a massive reaction. So I went with 'hocus-pocus' (sarcex
) instead. It worked too! I'm using it on another mare who also has one, and it's crusting away.Normally I probably would have used liverpool on a 'normal' horse, but now I've used sarc-ex, I'm totally converted! I was the ultimate cynic before hand!
Super_Kat
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Because it's bloody painful 
My boy had sarcoids in his inner thighs and up in his grion (this had to be injected with liverpoor cream), he was an amazingly good patient but I could see how sore he was with it. The sarcoids have grown back on his inner thighs but I'll just stick to banding them off, won't touch liverpool cream again unless it's an absolute last resort.
My boy had sarcoids in his inner thighs and up in his grion (this had to be injected with liverpoor cream), he was an amazingly good patient but I could see how sore he was with it. The sarcoids have grown back on his inner thighs but I'll just stick to banding them off, won't touch liverpool cream again unless it's an absolute last resort.
Nailed
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Because its destructive, and painful!!!!!
When I was at college (HI KATE!!!) we had a horse, Minnow, he has liverpool cream to treat a sarcoid on his face.. he was in agony. it worked.. but he did spend a could of months on bute ecause it was so sore!
Oh and its v dangerous to handle..
Loux
When I was at college (HI KATE!!!) we had a horse, Minnow, he has liverpool cream to treat a sarcoid on his face.. he was in agony. it worked.. but he did spend a could of months on bute ecause it was so sore!
Oh and its v dangerous to handle..
Loux
Happy Horse
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It contains Arsenic I believe (or at least it did donkeys years ago when I worked in an equine vets!)
TakeAChance
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Thanks for your replies, I'm pleased to hear about the positive outcomes experienced by GorgeousGeorge and Kittykatcat. I didn't realise it was so painful. I'll be weighing it all up before deciding the route to go with my boy's treatment.
FairyLights
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my friends mare was treated with LC ,it made her very sore and the poor thing was climbing the walls when my friend entered the stable to apply it after the first couple of times. this upset my friend as well as her horse.
MiCsarah
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This also was the only horse whoI have seen it used on, did work though when everything else failed
millitiger
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I used it on my boy, and yes, it did make the sarcoid quite sore and inflamed but it is meant to get rid of what is basically a very stubborn skin cancer so I did expect it to have a reaction!
Vinnie's was on his sheath and quite large (ping pong ball size) and I actually found because I was using about 1/2 a large pot of vaseline everyday on the surrounding skin he didn't get sore anywhere apart from the actual sarcoid itself.
I never gave him bute and although it was obviously sore for such a wimp (he won't let you put cream on 'normal' cuts and scratches) he was very good for all of the treatments and poking and prodding and had his cream applied in the field.
Vinnie's was on his sheath and quite large (ping pong ball size) and I actually found because I was using about 1/2 a large pot of vaseline everyday on the surrounding skin he didn't get sore anywhere apart from the actual sarcoid itself.
I never gave him bute and although it was obviously sore for such a wimp (he won't let you put cream on 'normal' cuts and scratches) he was very good for all of the treatments and poking and prodding and had his cream applied in the field.
lialls
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I decided not to treat my mares sarcoides with l'pool cream on my vets recomendation that should you not cope with it in our circumstances (thin skinned tb, sarcoides where rug would go so cant wear rug while treating, would have the be on bute as sensitive, wouldn't cope with living in while being treated and was already very guarded about having the sarcoides touched so would have to be satated for treatment).
From what i've read (done alot of reading on it) i would prefer to use a differnt treatment if possible unless my horse was really quite a tuffy and we throught that they would cope ok with the pain that it causes.
Not against it in anyway and would always do whats best for the horse, if l'pool cream was the best option for my horse then i would use it.
From what i've read (done alot of reading on it) i would prefer to use a differnt treatment if possible unless my horse was really quite a tuffy and we throught that they would cope ok with the pain that it causes.
Not against it in anyway and would always do whats best for the horse, if l'pool cream was the best option for my horse then i would use it.
ofcourseyoucan
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only positive things to report from me. yes it is aggressive but needs to be to get rid of the sarcoids. some persistant ones need a second course. i didnt think the cream was expensive... its the call outs and vet only to apply that bumps the cost up. the horses that i have seen treated occaisionally had localised swelling but never seemed in pain.
cellie
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I have just ordered hilton thuja cream for sarcoids.2 friends have used it to clear up two different types and it has worked.My vet isnt 100% sure my horse 2 spots are sarcoids but is happy to freeze them off or use liverpool cream I will give thuja cream couple of weeks and monitor .
Cyberchick
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My horse had a sarcoid on his face just under his left eye and was treated with LC. In all honesty, it looked awful when I started treating it and I went through a stage of a few days where I felt so guilty. It just looked so sore and raw. However he never reacted to it, didn't show me he was in any pain and he is a wimp, and was absolutely fine throughout the whole process. I was worse! You wouldn't even know he had ever had a sarcoid now. This is 4 yrs on. Not even a mark on his face and his hair has grown back normal.
whizzer
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I wouldn't hesitate to use it again but then my horse had hideous,bleeding,ulcerating sarcoids all over his sheath,belly & inner thighs. He used to catch
them & rip them off when he was lying down! Yes, it's nasty stuff & he had a lot of treatments with it, he was sedated everytime we did it & it's a mess for weeks afterwards but after the years he suffered while we fannied about with all the alternative treatments
, I just wished we'd gone for it sooner. Last treatments were 7 or 8 years ago & have never come back(as yet!). Still lurches from one medical crisis to the next(TB!) but at least I no longer have the sarcoids to worry about as well!
them & rip them off when he was lying down! Yes, it's nasty stuff & he had a lot of treatments with it, he was sedated everytime we did it & it's a mess for weeks afterwards but after the years he suffered while we fannied about with all the alternative treatments
, I just wished we'd gone for it sooner. Last treatments were 7 or 8 years ago & have never come back(as yet!). Still lurches from one medical crisis to the next(TB!) but at least I no longer have the sarcoids to worry about as well!
whizzer
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And because I faffed about for so long I had huge problems getting my insurance company to pay. In the end my vet rang them & they paid some but capped it at £1k
so I had to pay for a few if the treatments myself. Luckily I'm a vet nurse & his vet is a ex-employer/friend so I get 'mates rates'!
so I had to pay for a few if the treatments myself. Luckily I'm a vet nurse & his vet is a ex-employer/friend so I get 'mates rates'!
Doncella
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Because it turned an unobtrusive pea sized sarcoid into this thanks to my vets' blind reliance on the stuff.
be positive
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Because it turned an unobtrusive pea sized sarcoid into this thanks to my vets' blind reliance on the stuff.
If you think this is nasty take a look at the photos in vets today they are awful,
I have no reason to use it but have seen a horse successfully treated with thuja, it did take time but they have totally gone now.
tallyho!
Following a strict mediterranean diet...
This pleases me. I too am a homeopathic convert as of to years ago... glad your boy better.
SusieT
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of course thuja can make some sarcoids explode into very nasty things.
If you won't take vet advice on treating the sarcoid (and there are no better experts than the Liverpool people) then don't touch it at all, your treatment may work, but sarcoids are very very prone to just flaring if you try cutting/banding them off and they are not the right type to be treated like that, can make the problem 10x worse!
If you won't take vet advice on treating the sarcoid (and there are no better experts than the Liverpool people) then don't touch it at all, your treatment may work, but sarcoids are very very prone to just flaring if you try cutting/banding them off and they are not the right type to be treated like that, can make the problem 10x worse!
fine_and_dandy
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I used Sarc-ex [the supplement, not the cream] when Bailey's ear sarcoid [very base of his left ear] appeared and it didn't do anything to it.
Bailey's grew at a rate of knots and after consideration from Liverpool, we went for Liverpool cream first time round. They warned me Bailey may need sedating if it got too painful [and we didn't want him becoming ear shy] but we ended up not having to sedate at all first time round. It crusted up etc and fell off but didn't appear to have got the "core" and we sent pictures to Liverpool again. Prof Knottenbelt was concerned at this one being aggressive and so prescribed a stronger course of Liverpool cream - this was very strong and we decided to sedate Bailes on the 4th and 5th applications because it made the whole of his ear swell up [I have pictures I will upload] - BUT this appeared to start doing more than the first cream and within the last couple of weeks, the sarcoid has dropped off and we managed to keep it for my vets to look at.
We were concerned it may leave him with a big gap in the lower part of his ear but it doesn't appear to have left much of a difference.
The problem is, you have to be able to tailor the treatment to the horse; because of where Bailey's sarcoid was, banding was out of the question and the vets weren't very keen on surgery, freezing etc because it was on the muscle and cartilage which moves the ear and there were concerns that it would damage the internal part of the ear.
If the sarcoid hadn't gone [or if it does try and come back] we will have to take him to Liverpool/Newmarket/RVC [wherever has the expert available to carry out the treatment at the time] and have radiotherapy - but this is mainly because his was in such an awkward position.
So, to summarise, I wouldn't knock it entirely. Yes it will look nasty and cause some discomfort but it is hardly going to be a lovely and fluffy cream when it needs to destroy something as stubborn and at times aggressive as a sarcoid. I have [on a friend's advice and experience] started to put Bailey on Thuja. I think he may have a couple of suspect marks around his sheath and am hoping this will battle them - in so far as applying topical treatments etc I wouldn't. I've seen dormant sarcoids explode into nastiness because of trying to treat them when they aren't doing anything.
Will see if I can get those piccies for you and put in a separate thread.
Bailey's grew at a rate of knots and after consideration from Liverpool, we went for Liverpool cream first time round. They warned me Bailey may need sedating if it got too painful [and we didn't want him becoming ear shy] but we ended up not having to sedate at all first time round. It crusted up etc and fell off but didn't appear to have got the "core" and we sent pictures to Liverpool again. Prof Knottenbelt was concerned at this one being aggressive and so prescribed a stronger course of Liverpool cream - this was very strong and we decided to sedate Bailes on the 4th and 5th applications because it made the whole of his ear swell up [I have pictures I will upload] - BUT this appeared to start doing more than the first cream and within the last couple of weeks, the sarcoid has dropped off and we managed to keep it for my vets to look at.
We were concerned it may leave him with a big gap in the lower part of his ear but it doesn't appear to have left much of a difference.
The problem is, you have to be able to tailor the treatment to the horse; because of where Bailey's sarcoid was, banding was out of the question and the vets weren't very keen on surgery, freezing etc because it was on the muscle and cartilage which moves the ear and there were concerns that it would damage the internal part of the ear.
If the sarcoid hadn't gone [or if it does try and come back] we will have to take him to Liverpool/Newmarket/RVC [wherever has the expert available to carry out the treatment at the time] and have radiotherapy - but this is mainly because his was in such an awkward position.
So, to summarise, I wouldn't knock it entirely. Yes it will look nasty and cause some discomfort but it is hardly going to be a lovely and fluffy cream when it needs to destroy something as stubborn and at times aggressive as a sarcoid. I have [on a friend's advice and experience] started to put Bailey on Thuja. I think he may have a couple of suspect marks around his sheath and am hoping this will battle them - in so far as applying topical treatments etc I wouldn't. I've seen dormant sarcoids explode into nastiness because of trying to treat them when they aren't doing anything.
Will see if I can get those piccies for you and put in a separate thread.
fine_and_dandy
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Have now posted pictures on a separate thread so you can see how Liverpool cream affected Bailey's ear through treatment