Livery yard advice- absentee owner

Moodymare88

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Hi All,

I am looking for some advice. If only I won the lottery, my problem would be solved.

So i moved to my current livery yard back in June last year as i moved house, but the yard is still 13 miles away (there sadly is nowhere closer with vacancies).

The yard owner took back control of the yard from who he was renting it from in September with promises to make lots of improvements, including the menage and fencing. Over a year later, we still have a very leaky barn roof, the fencing for some of the fields has been down for months (luckily doesn't affect my horse, but not the point!) and the menage needs a lot of work doing, the fencing collapses and when we have heavy rain, the surface escapes through the bottom part of the school where the fencing needs to be redone.

All he has done really is paint the yard and upgrade the electrics. My stable flooded badly, which i raised when i changed stables back in December and i chased it up, and he basically had a massive go at me for chasing things and gave me a warning to leave! So, i daren't chase anything up as i have nowhere else to go. Yard politics seem to play a massive part these last few months, where certain people seem to get everything the want and others get nothing. It is a shame, as it used to be a lovely yard where everyone was very friendly and we were like a family. I suffered a nasty accident back in January, i got kicked in the face and have suffered mentally with PTSD, Anxiety and depression. Sadly, i found out that a 'friend' complained to the yard owner saying i have changed since January and that i am the main problem on the yard! Yes, i changed, but who wouldn't change after suffering a nasty trauma and i am upset and hurt that someone i confided in, who was also a nurse...has stabbed me in the back several times...but i just stay out of her way.

Anyway, a friend of mine who is sadly leaving has her horse stabled next to mine, which works well but means it will be vacant. I have been told someone who has 3 horses will be moving one of theirs next to mine, which i wouldn't usually have an issue with but they don't have great stable management skills. They bed on straw, but by the morning there is no bedding (on concrete) and the smell of ammonia through the barn is really strong. My mare suffers with allergies and i have had to have the vet out several times this year because of it (i don't really want to move stables as the leak has been fixed, she has a back window which helps for ventilation and its a big stable). I have asked if they would reconsider as the vet informed me (and most people know) the affects of ammonia on horses health. I have basically been told, i either lump it and like it, or move to a stable which is not as well ventilated, opposite their horses with the smell of ammonia still being strong, so seems pointless! Their horses also kick the stable doors, which has sadly taught my mare to do this (i put tubtrugs with water in front of her door to stop her).

My main concern is my horses health, which i feel will be put at risk. Sadly, these owners moving next to me aren't overly friendly, i always tried to say hello etc and barely get a grunt, so i don't really tend to bother. We have offered some friendly advice previously, because the parents aren't horsey (although the daughter works on an eventing yard, so should know better) but it didn't go down very well. The yard owner is basically non-existent and has given 'management roles' to 2 other livery yard owners. I mean, we have waited 3 months for a lightbulb to be replaced in one of the tack rooms! I have been meaning to do it myself, but I am no longer in there. I hate yard politics, i am on waiting lists for a couple of other yards, but who knows when a space will become available.

I have never been on a yard where things don't get done and the yard owner just doesn't care but is happy to continue taking our money! We do have signed contracts as well. I haven't really been in a position mentally to think about changing yards, and now i am, there aren't any available. I really just want to enjoy my time down with my horse, i struggle enough as it is but then i do wonder if i would be better moving because i am attending the place where i had my accident every day, twice a day.

If you have gotten this far, thank you. It is frustrating as i have run a yard before, and i just don't feel like everyone is being treated fairly. I found out i need to move bays in the barn from another livery on the group chat, without it being discussed with me first, so someone seems to like stirring things as well.

Do i just continue to brush everything off and try not to worry about having this horse move next to mine? There is nothing i can do about it, but i am sure if it was someone else who had the issue...they wouldn't be allowed to swap, so i feel there is some bullying going on towards me.
 

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Honestly - this won't change.
Just find another yard , even if it's further away.
There are shitty (mainly DIY) yards like this all over the place, these horse owners won't change.
So I'm afraid it is a case of either put up with it or move.

Personally I couldn't stay in a place like that
But then, my yard doesn't do pure DIY like this and if someone's horse was standing in such filthy conditions, the stable would be cleaned and the owner billed for it.
Even with horses in for the winter, our barn doesn't smell as all the stables are cleaned properly and with plenty of bedding.
 

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Trust me, if i could move...i would but we don't have many DIY yards in our area with spaces. If anyone knows anywhere in south norfolk/north suffolk with availability...that would be a bonus but at the moment i am stuck :-(
 

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Everybody's already said it. I just wanted to say sorry you're facing this.

Use every contact you have to try to find somewhere else - someone might know of a space on a private yard that wouldn't normally be advertised or a friend might take pity on you and offer you a temporary space until you find somewhere else. Visit every tack shop in the area to look for adverts, get a friend to post a livery wanted ad on Facebook for you so the current YO doesn't see it's from you and turf you off. Visit local yards and ask, you never know if/when you'll get lucky.
 

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Honestly, I would spend any spare time I had in the next few days/weeks trying to find somewhere else.
You might be on waiting lists but sometimes it doesn’t hurt to make a call to those yards and just see if they happen to have a space coming up.
A drive around or scout on google maps might find you somewhere you didn’t previously know about.
Also consider things you might not have thought about before, if your horse has allergies might grass livery be an option instead, or if the yard was right might part livery instead of diy be the answer
 

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Already on the search. If the yard is suitable, part livery would be considered if it is further away. With her allergies, it is complicated because some of her allergies, she should be stabled at night but her other allergies she should be out...so whatever i do is tricky. She had immunotherapy for a year and is so much better (we had to stop as they couldn't source it and i hoped she would grow out of it), she is just sensitive to dust, but everything else i have been able to manage.

It could be a lovely yard if the owner put the effort it, but no one has actually seen him in months!
 

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I’ve been on yards like that. Once I realised that it wasn’t going to change and that was how it was it was easier.
I either accepted it as it was or I moved.
But wishing/hoping for it to be as good as it had the potential to be made me miserable! (If that makes any sort of sense)
There is no point stressing about fences that are down that don’t affect you, let the people with horses in those fields worry about that. If the people are funny, keep yourself to yourself and head down. I know some people go to the yard to be sociable so would hate that but hopefully it might be a short term thing until we can move.
I also find when your hand is sort of forced like this, it makes you focus on the essentials more, being less fussy makes it easier to find a yard ;) and that doesn’t mean you have to go from frying pan to fire, just that you might find yourself somewhere you wouldn’t previously have considered.
 

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Then all you can do is put up and shut up. I'm not sure what you want us to suggest
I was just looking to see if anyone had dealt with anything similar and if there is anything (legally) i can do and what my rights are...we have a contract in place...and i don't feel the yard owner is actually sticking to his side of it...being shouted at and hurled abuse at for no reason...is not exactly how you would expect someone to treat people. We are customers at the end of the day...paying for a service.

Or if anyone knows of any yards in the area which would be helpful...
 

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I was on a yard like that. The man who had managed it for many, many years gave it up when the owner got outline planning permission to build on it and the owner took over management - from 4 hours away. Nothing got done and it started to get dangerous.

Google earth is a fantastic way to spot arenas and potentially private yards who may have the odd space. Its how I managed to move from that particular yard.
 

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I was just looking to see if anyone had dealt with anything similar and if there is anything (legally) i can do and what my rights are...we have a contract in place...and i don't feel the yard owner is actually sticking to his side of it...being shouted at and hurled abuse at for no reason...is not exactly how you would expect someone to treat people. We are customers at the end of the day...paying for a service.

Or if anyone knows of any yards in the area which would be helpful...

Legally you are a bit stuffed because the owner can just serve notice I'm afraid
 

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Unless you are on a BHS yard then anyone can set up.
And the problem is, one of the ladies 'running it' has tried to get me kicked off for no reason already, so they are supposed to be fair on everyone, but sadly i feel i am being bullied and whatever i ask for, it is just a no. I am definitely searching for somewhere to move. It appears that this is a big case of one rule for one, and a different rule for everyone else...

I hate yard politics. I just want to enjoy my horse after a pretty rubbish year (which i know everyone has had) and someone seems to be going out of their way to try and make my life miserable. It has taken me months to be in a better place mentally, and sadly some people just want to keep kicking me whilst i am down.
 

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I was just looking to see if anyone had dealt with anything similar and if there is anything (legally) i can do and what my rights are...we have a contract in place...and i don't feel the yard owner is actually sticking to his side of it...being shouted at and hurled abuse at for no reason...is not exactly how you would expect someone to treat people. We are customers at the end of the day...paying for a service.

Or if anyone knows of any yards in the area which would be helpful...


No there is nothing you can do, in reality, except move.
When we were in a similar situation, we drove round looking for anything that looked promising. We found somewhere that had just been bought by a retired, re-locating farmer, looking for a small retirement income and stayed there for 10 yrs.
 

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If you haven't I would drive round and ask yards if they have vacancies rather than rely on phone calls or messaging. Yard owners/ managers will sometimes try to squeeze you in if they see you're desperate. Have you tried putting a wanted ad on Preloved? I've done this a couple of times and always had a good response. In the meantime I would wear earphones at the yard all the the time and listen to music. Smile and wave to people so they can't say you're being rude. Livery is the pits sometimes. It must be the most unregulated service industry in the country. Contracts mean nothing because if you raise anything on them the response can be ' If you don't like it you can always go'.
 

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Sounds awful, you have my sympathy, our horses mean so much to us, are you on face book? Have you tried any of the horsey groups or even Norfolk small holders, it can be a good means of networking, unfortunately my yard only does part full, though they do have a vacancy & is based in mid norfolk.
good luck with your search
 

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I am going to ask a friend of mine to pau an add on Facebook for me later on. There is a potential yard which is more assisted livery, which i don't really want but again it is worth going to have a look at and discuss options and i need to consider the price. I like to do everything myself, so it would be hard for me but at the end of the day they only feed and turnout, it would save me mileage and money in diesel, so it is something i will explore. It will take some getting used to after having a horse on DIY for over 11 years. Maybe a break from the 5:00am starts all this time would be nice...

Yard owners do seem to get away with quite a lot and when people question it, you just get told to leave. I think a fresh start is what i need, so fingers crossed i find it soon
 

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Trust me, if i could move...i would but we don't have many DIY yards in our area with spaces. If anyone knows anywhere in south norfolk/north suffolk with availability...that would be a bonus but at the moment i am stuck :-(
To get out of the hole I would be looking everywhere, Horse Recs Newmarket, Mole Country, Bury St Edmunds, local FB, for the small ads You may find someone who has space on a private yard, https://www.facebook.com/groups/1545341922356175
 

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Nothing constructive to add other than sending you a huge hug. The whole situation sounds frustrating and unfair.



I think the advice of head down for the time being and being creative in looking for somewhere else makes sense.



I do know that yards in your area are really tricky to find (I am not local but have a fairly local friend).
 

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I am going to ask a friend of mine to pau an add on Facebook for me later on. There is a potential yard which is more assisted livery, which i don't really want but again it is worth going to have a look at and discuss options and i need to consider the price. I like to do everything myself, so it would be hard for me but at the end of the day they only feed and turnout, it would save me mileage and money in diesel, so it is something i will explore. It will take some getting used to after having a horse on DIY for over 11 years. Maybe a break from the 5:00am starts all this time would be nice...

Yard owners do seem to get away with quite a lot and when people question it, you just get told to leave. I think a fresh start is what i need, so fingers crossed i find it soon

That sounds great to me - you still get to do 95% of it and make all the decisions but they do the early start! I'd definitely take a look at it. Where has the livery you got on with moved to? Are there spaces there?
 

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I am going to ask a friend of mine to pau an add on Facebook for me later on. There is a potential yard which is more assisted livery, which i don't really want but again it is worth going to have a look at and discuss options and i need to consider the price. I like to do everything myself, so it would be hard for me but at the end of the day they only feed and turnout, it would save me mileage and money in diesel, so it is something i will explore. It will take some getting used to after having a horse on DIY for over 11 years. Maybe a break from the 5:00am starts all this time would be nice...

Yard owners do seem to get away with quite a lot and when people question it, you just get told to leave. I think a fresh start is what i need, so fingers crossed i find it soon
you might be surprised about the cost, if you are driving there twice a day only going once and paying the yard to do some of the work but actually end up being the same cost overall, especially considering the price of fuel going up
 

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I am reading your post in a completely differently to everyone else.
Why did you offer unsolicited advice to an equine professional who happens to be on your yard? And while you don't like the way they keep their horses I suspect they are not actually negligent with their horses so I can see why they might not want to be overly friendly with you!

If every yard you have been on hasn't been up to scratch is that because every yard has been substandard or are you a very demanding livery? As you don't want to give up control of your horse by moving to part or assisted livery have you considered renting land or a small set up and just getting a companion pony. That way you don't have to deal with anyone else's way of doing things.

I know I'm not giving you the super supportive pat on the head that everyone else has but putting a different view on things can sometimes be a useful perspective too.
 

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There are two sides to everything and as a YO myself I know that you cannot please everyone! Also that there is plenty of opportunity on a yard for interpersonal conflicts to arise and if not dealt with appropriately then they can escalate rapidly, which obviously is the case on this yard.

It would no doubt be the case that if any of us were to speak to any of your fellow-liveries then they may well come up with some surprising "wisdom" and their version of events might well radically differ from your side of things. That's how things are!!

Forgive me if being a bit dimmit; but you are complaining about the smell of "ammonia" emanating from the stables adjacent to yours, but hey, well, horses pee and poo don't they?? That's what they do, right?? Inevitable I would say. And here you are complaining about it!! You ain't exactly gonna get the sweet smell of roses on an equine yard LOL. Also you are complaining about other Liveries' management of their horses which really isn't going to make you very popular at the end of the day. Sorry but I am being frank here and trying to look at the situation from all angles.

However, for now, as others have said, you will need to "put up and shut up".

Yes there are "contracts" in place as you say, but frankly unless these are properly set up by a Legal, and signed witnessed & dated as in a proper "Rental Agreement" then TBH you might as well shred them and use them for bedding as legally they are actually worth sweet FA.

I would suggest you try to ignore what is going on around you and endeavour to keep yourself to yourself. "Do" your horse, keep your own counsel, do what you need to do, and be gone would be my advice, whilst at the same time look for somewhere else which will be more suitable for your needs.
 
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