Livery yard

[emw474]

So, I am currently between moving my horse from a livery yard (riding stables) to a lovely field I'm renting off a farmer. The current yard I'm at have sent me a bill, but I have never signed a contract in my life. I pay £20 a week keep (although there's nothing to prove this) but she charges whatever she likes to different people! I'll admit I haven't paid keep in a couple of months, but once I've moved I'm going to send her money until it's all paid anyway. I just want to know where I stand, can she stop me moving my horse? Also her, excuse my language w*nker of a husband is trying to convince her to sell my horses. Is this allowed? They have been nothing but horrible to my family and we've done a lot to help them as they are an elderly couple. But since having this new apprentice there, she's the golden girl in their eyes and she's been spreading stuff about us, hence why we are leaving (we've been at that yard for 15 years). So, yeah I just want to know where I stand. Do I have to pay the money considering there's no contract and the fields are so poorly looked after that there isn't exactly any grass that I should pay for using!!! They hit my horses and everything too!! I'm just glad to leave there. But any advise would be great!

 

[be positive]

Even though you have no written contract you do have a verbal one and by not paying for a couple of months you are in breach of that contract, in the circumstances I think they have every right to ask for full payment before you move the horse and could set a court order in place to allow them to sell it to settle the debt under the abandonment law even though technically you have not actually abandoned it you have allowed a debt to run up, the case linked below shows what can happen when debts get out of hand and in this case it was only a week or so, the YO was cleared of any wrongdoing, morally he was totally wrong but legally he was within his rights.

http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/news/man-charged-shooting-dumping-horse-463979


Find the money and pay it so you can leave asap, it is no good moaning about the fields, lack of grass, people hitting your horse etc when you have put up with it for 15 years even if it is only recently matters have got worse and it does not excuse you failing to pay, £20 per week is extremely cheap and to a certain extent you get what you pay for, low rent can mean poor facilities although it is not always the case.

 

[ihatework]

Of course you have to pay.

 

[Goldenstar]

You pay what you owe up to date you move its simple .
Why on earth would you even consider leaving owing people money .

 

[emw474]

I wasn't moaning about it. I was stating a fact. theres other people who owe £1000s so my £120 debt isn't exactly a lot compared. They already know I'm leaving, I personally haven't had a horse there for 15 years. I've just been riding there.

 

[emw474]

well I'm already moving.

 

[HaffiesRock]

Yes you have to pay, and if you were my livery I would be glad to see the back of you. You sound jealous and unreliable.

 

[HaffiesRock]

Lol okay mate, you sound like a ****

Taking something with the intention of permanently depriving the owner is called theft.

You have come onto a public forum as a new poster and been very rude about your yard owner and her husband. You have then asked if you have to pay for the services you have used for 2 months. Can I suggest that if you are a genuine poster, you have a read of the thread about a YO giving up, then have a good hard look at your attitude before posting again.

This is a very helpful forum if you use it in the correct way. I very much doubt anyone on here will tell you it is ok to steal from your YO.

 

[Auslander]

Aside from the fact that contracts shod be in place to safeguard both parties, the main issue is that you want to leave before you have paid them what you owe them. Call me simplistic, but it doesn't matter whether it's £120 or £1200 - if someone is leaving my yard, they pay what's due, before I release the horse. You owe them money, so you should pay them.

 

[View]

OP,

Lose the attitude. Calling another poster something unprintable just because they made a comment about you that is based on the evidence of your own words about your behaviour in your opening post is silly.

You say that you have helped these people because they are elderly, but admit that you are not up to date with payments to them. Unless you have negotiated a late payment plan with them, that is just plain wrong.

You complain that these people have hit your horse. If you are so concerned, why have you not moved your horse already?

Pay up to date, pay your notice period (this will be one month if you are supposed to pay monthly, or one week if you are supposed to pay weekly), and then move.

You will feel better for it, and the yard owners will feel better for it.

And learn from the experience. Make sure that you get a written contract at your new place, and ensure that you abide by your responsibilities.

 

[Amye]

I agree with what others have said. You might not like to hear it but you need to pay what you owe. I think it is silly not to have a written contract in place (not saying that part is your fault btw) but if you have verbally agreed to pay £20 - which is very cheap - then that is still a contract and you should honour it. Just because you have decided to leave and there wasn't a written contract in place doesn't mean you are exempt from paying unfortunately.

It sounds like the yard isn't a great place to be and you're doing right by moving but you still need to pay up

 

[jimbojones]

I think this poster is a troll - in one post she says she hasn't had horse there in 15 years and on another she says they hit her horse?

 

[9tails]

Do you have any idea why the new apprentice is the "golden girl"? Why are you so behind on your keep and why do you feel you shouldn't pay it?

 

[Starzaan]

Even though you have no written contract you do have a verbal one and by not paying for a couple of months you are in breach of that contract, in the circumstances I think they have every right to ask for full payment before you move the horse and could set a court order in place to allow them to sell it to settle the debt under the abandonment law even though technically you have not actually abandoned it you have allowed a debt to run up, the case linked below shows what can happen when debts get out of hand and in this case it was only a week or so, the YO was cleared of any wrongdoing, morally he was totally wrong but legally he was within his rights.

http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/news/man-charged-shooting-dumping-horse-463979


Find the money and pay it so you can leave asap, it is no good moaning about the fields, lack of grass, people hitting your horse etc when you have put up with it for 15 years even if it is only recently matters have got worse and it does not excuse you failing to pay, £20 per week is extremely cheap and to a certain extent you get what you pay for, low rent can mean poor facilities although it is not always the case.

This exactly. Ludicrous.

 

[sav123]

So, I am currently between moving my horse from a livery yard (riding stables) to a lovely field I'm renting off a farmer. The current yard I'm at have sent me a bill, but I have never signed a contract in my life. I pay £20 a week keep (although there's nothing to prove this) but she charges whatever she likes to different people! I'll admit I haven't paid keep in a couple of months, but once I've moved I'm going to send her money until it's all paid anyway. I just want to know where I stand, can she stop me moving my horse? Also her, excuse my language w*nker of a husband is trying to convince her to sell my horses. Is this allowed? They have been nothing but horrible to my family and we've done a lot to help them as they are an elderly couple. But since having this new apprentice there, she's the golden girl in their eyes and she's been spreading stuff about us, hence why we are leaving (we've been at that yard for 15 years). So, yeah I just want to know where I stand. Do I have to pay the money considering there's no contract and the fields are so poorly looked after that there isn't exactly any grass that I should pay for using!!! They hit my horses and everything too!! I'm just glad to leave there. But any advise would be great!

I wasn't moaning about it. I was stating a fact. theres other people who owe £1000s so my £120 debt isn't exactly a lot compared. They already know I'm leaving, I personally haven't had a horse there for 15 years. I've just been riding there.

So do you actually have a horse or not? And if you do, if they have been hitting your horse and there's no grass and they're horrible to you, why have you stayed there so long?

And as for not paying, why do you have to wait until you've moved to pay? Why can't/won't you pay now?

For info, a lot of farmers who rent out fields/facilities are quite intolerant of late/non-payers and will get rid quick at the first sign of any trouble. And it's also quite common for a yard owner to ring round other yards in the area to give them a heads up if a bad payer is on the move so they don't get stung. If you get yourself a reputation for being a bad payer, your options suddenly become very limited.