Loaning or leasing competition horses (also in CR)

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If you have a competition horse on loan or lease, rather than being paid for riding.... how much say does the horse's owner have?

Does the amount of input directly relate to the amount of money the owner spends?

When I say "input" I mean whether the owner's opinions are taken into account in terms of trainer, which competitions, how many, what level, down to what feed, turnout etc etc
 
The owner of my daughter's horse has no say.

We started off leasing and are now loaning because we saw the horse through a kissing spines op. The owner has no input at all - and didn't have any when we were leasing either.

We have an extremely good relationship with our owner.
 
thanks bedlam

We have a talented dressage horse who we were thinking of maybe loaning or leasing to a young (or not so young!) rider at some point in the future

However, we would still like to be able to watch his lessons, go to competitions and be able to see him as we've had him since he was a baby

maybe not then......
 
I think the owner of a loan horse would have more say than the owner of a leased horse, however in both circumstances I would expect a comprehensive contract to include the must do's/can'ts etc.

If the owner is still funding said horse then in my mind they still call the shots ...
 
I am currently loaning a nice showjumping mare. I am in fairly regular contact with the owner, she'll text me and ask am I competing over the weekend, and I'll text her with what result I got. She came to watch a training show last week, and when I moved the horse recently she came to check out the new place. Other than that, she does not visit.
I think moderation is the key here. I would say watching lessons is a no. Going to watch the odd competition is ok, but not all. If this person is paying all the horses expenses, then they have the right to a bit of space with the horse they are paying for. Visits are ok, just not all the time. Just think 'moderation'. Good luck! :-)
 
From what you guys have said, I would reckon he won't be available - what's the point of owning a lovely talented horse and not being able to see him or watch him do stuff?

Surely, just because the owner doesn't ride doesn't mean she shouldn't be able to have contact with him??
 
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From what you guys have said, I would reckon he won't be available - what's the point of owning a lovely talented horse and not being able to see him or watch him do stuff?

Surely, just because the owner doesn't ride doesn't mean she shouldn't be able to have contact with him??

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When I loaned out my novice eventer I went and watched at comps etc. It wasn't a problem, but I did try not to make any suggestions unless asked for...

TBH if you pick the right person why wouldn't they want you along? People watch lessons all the time, ditto comps, and it wouldn't worry me even if I was loaning/leasing the horse. I might expect you to video though...
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If you want to see the horse all the time then just say that upfront to the loaner. If he/she has a prob with it, then don;t loan to them. Find a person who's ok with that.
Personally, I pay for everything to do with the horse, so I appreciate a bit of space. I would not like having an audience for everything I do. But that's me, you could find someone who's very different to me and wouldn't mind you being around all the time.
If you say that's what you want up front, you'll find the right person to fit what you're looking for I'm sure.
 
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From what you guys have said, I would reckon he won't be available - what's the point of owning a lovely talented horse and not being able to see him or watch him do stuff?

Surely, just because the owner doesn't ride doesn't mean she shouldn't be able to have contact with him??

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I don't think that's the issue at all.
As long as the owner was up front about wanting to come and watch/enjoy the horse before the loan started then it shouldn't be an issue - it certainly wouldn't be for me unless the owner was really interfearing.
 
as somebody said moderation is the key,

I know you said you dot ride but how much experience do you have with horses, im not trying to be patronizing x just trying to get a bigger picture and see it from both parties. just thinking that if the person you loan/lease the horse out to might be thinking I dont want somebody teling me how to ride their horse etc when they dont ride themselves.

I think it is a fab idea and can work very well If it was me I would def say up front that you want to come to competitions and view SOME lessons to monitor his progress or possibly get them to send you videos. (can be a bit off putting if owner is watching you have a lesson) but then you still get to see what is going on.

and as long as both parties can come to a compromise then your horse will be the one who is having the greatest benefit

good luck to you and your dressage star xx
 
on a personal level i would love to loan/lease a dressage horse in which the owner had an interest, several reasons, if they are interested chances are they are genuine, it would be quite nice to have someone else around at comps & lessons (if you don't have horsey friends for horsey chats it can be a pretty solo hobby) i would be pleased to have the owner see the time & effort i put into their horse
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