Long post - Kissing Spine or other issues -suggestions/advice :)

emfen1305

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Firstly, apologies for the long post, this is my first time ever dealing with anything like this and I'm a bit worried!

I've had my cob x for 18 months, he was in regular light/moderate work (5 days a week including showing and jumping, lunge, hack etc) and he's been getting less enthusiastic about working since the end of summer to the point where he wouldn't canter on a stubble field and started to refuse in jumping. At this point I gave him some time off, had his teeth, back and saddle checked and then in October I clipped as thought he might have been too hot. Long story short he was scoped with grade 4 bleeding ulcers and put on a course of peptizole. I was horrified at how honest he had been and felt terrible but I gave him 6 weeks off to heal alongside the medication and he was rescoped clear 2 weeks ago and I started bringing him back into work. In short, he is absolutely no better than he was before the time off. At first I thought it might be remembered pain or that he had lost a bit of fitness but he just looks so unhappy in his stable, he cannot maintain canter for more than three strides (both on the lunge and whilst ridden) and struggles to do anything other than going around on the track (no bending, lateral work even circles are a struggle now). He is a bit better hacking but I think that's because it's easy for him. I have had a couple of people ride him to make sure it isn't my own inability and they struggled to get him going too.

We had a thermal imaging lady at the yard on Saturday and she scanned his back and hocks and said that he had an incredibly hot area in the thoracic part of his spine and when she had seen this before it was almost always diagnosed as kissing spine with xrays. She has taken the images away to analyse on the computer and I am waiting to hear back before I phone the vet for an xray. When I looked at the symptoms he does show a lot of the signs and I was never convinced that he got ulcers that bad due to my poor management.

I know he hasn't been diagnosed yet but i'm preparing for the worst and hoping for the best! I'm looking for advice, a shoulder to cry on, other people's stories. He is insured but I'm worried about what happens next, is it just an xray or a bone scan too? Do I make the decision about the operation or injection or will that fall to the vets? Is there anything else I should be looking out for with this? I suspect he's had this problem for quite some time so i'm worried about other issues it has caused and whether there will be enough money to cover them.

Any help/advice/suggestions on how to make him comfortable would be greatly appreciated.
 
my boy presented with horrible symptoms under saddle, kept trying to kill me

went to vets for x-rays and steroid injections
x-rays showed kissing spines behind the saddle area
before delving into operation he was referred to rossdales for a bone scan and rectal ultrasound
turns out his back wasn't particularly reactive on the scan and all his problems were around his sacroiliac joint

he has arthritis in his neck, hocks and sacroiliac joint plus calcification around the joint, but he is shortly coming back into work
 
For the price of a set of back x-rays, I would say it was definitely worth doing.

In some ways kissing spine would be a good diagnosis, as in a lot of cases something can be done to fix it. I would much rather kissing spine than SI problems or Facet Joint Disease for example.

Don't feel bad, horses are so stoic, they generally just keep going until it is too sore.

I would x-ray and if anything at all shows up go straight for a ligament snip if suitable. I would also investigate his hocks as they often go hand in hand.
 
i had two with kissing spine. both got injections and physio and went back into work. One for a few years before he had to reite, and the other is still in work.

It mightn't be kissing spine though, i don't 100% trust those thermal scans, got it before it it misdisgnosed areas. One of mine went into vet hospital for suspected kissing spine, he had it but it was mild, but the bigger issue was arthritis in his hocks and a back cyst.

The other kissing spine one had bigger issues with sciatica and sacroilliac.

But a chat with a good vet will set out your options. It mightn't be as drastic as an op, injections could get you sorted
 
It was difficult to spot as it was hidden under stand kissing spine/ sj issues. But when they eased off, a year later he would have days where he just wouldn't canter or want to go forward. Massage person found an area of bad tightness in hindquarters and when vet looked into it he diagnosed sciatica. He recommended learning a simple massage and using it daily along with 'iceberg' skin stuff to rub in. It did work, but the horse had so many issues between si, ks and then sciatica that i just decided to retire him. But the sciatica on its own would have been manageable i think.
 
Look at the threads about PSSM and see if anything rings a bell, being a cob x, reluctant to go forward or canter, worse after rest would make me suspect it could be PSSM, are his bum muscles hard when you feel them? you may need to check a few others to compare but certainly something to consider and far easier to deal with than many of the other things it could be.
 
Look at the threads about PSSM and see if anything rings a bell, being a cob x, reluctant to go forward or canter, worse after rest would make me suspect it could be PSSM, are his bum muscles hard when you feel them? you may need to check a few others to compare but certainly something to consider and far easier to deal with than many of the other things it could be.

I have read about this, I will mention it to my vet as well. To be honest he is tense all over so i can't massively differentiate between the relaxed muscles and the hard ones, i'm not overly good with things like this but when the vet calls me i'll definitely mention it as a possibility. Thanks!
 
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