mongy46
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My TB keeps loosing front shoes even with overeach boots on, all times of the year, what can i do?
Loosing shoes summer/winter
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Holly Hocks
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Take the shoes off?
Heelfirst
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There are many reasons why a horse will loose a shoe.
The first and most important as far as I was concerned when I was shoeing was: is there a conflict between the shoe and the hoof, this will happen if the hoof is fighting against the shoe at the point of impact, i.e. is the foot landing unlevel, if it is then you will loosen and loose the shoe very quickly.
Next: Is the quality of the horn such that the shoe is unable to stay on due the lack of strength on the horn tissue, this is very common with ‘concave section’ and with shoes that do not have a rolled edge and toe to assist the action.
3rd: The action of the horse is such that there is interference from another limb, often people take this to be a hind tracking up and pulling at the heels of the front shoe, I found on most referrals I had that in fact it was due to the front foot not being able to brake-over and get away from the approaching hind.
Now that I only perform barefoot I suggest in these types of cases that it is worth taking the shoes off just to see what the horse has in mind without any manmade influence.
Don’t forget that shoes are made by man, fitted by man/woman to perform how WE think they should
and before anyone says it is typical TB feet, I find that when given the chance TB’s feet are just as good as any other type, I could go into why TB’s will often get collapsed heels and week caudal 1/3ds but believe me when I say that to is man made.
The first and most important as far as I was concerned when I was shoeing was: is there a conflict between the shoe and the hoof, this will happen if the hoof is fighting against the shoe at the point of impact, i.e. is the foot landing unlevel, if it is then you will loosen and loose the shoe very quickly.
Next: Is the quality of the horn such that the shoe is unable to stay on due the lack of strength on the horn tissue, this is very common with ‘concave section’ and with shoes that do not have a rolled edge and toe to assist the action.
3rd: The action of the horse is such that there is interference from another limb, often people take this to be a hind tracking up and pulling at the heels of the front shoe, I found on most referrals I had that in fact it was due to the front foot not being able to brake-over and get away from the approaching hind.
Now that I only perform barefoot I suggest in these types of cases that it is worth taking the shoes off just to see what the horse has in mind without any manmade influence.
Don’t forget that shoes are made by man, fitted by man/woman to perform how WE think they should
and before anyone says it is typical TB feet, I find that when given the chance TB’s feet are just as good as any other type, I could go into why TB’s will often get collapsed heels and week caudal 1/3ds but believe me when I say that to is man made.
mongy46
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HQUOTE=Heelfirst;11964023]There are many reasons why a horse will loose a shoe.
The first and most important as far as I was concerned when I was shoeing was: is there a conflict between the shoe and the hoof, this will happen if the hoof is fighting against the shoe at the point of impact, i.e. is the foot landing unlevel, if it is then you will loosen and loose the shoe very quickly.
Next: Is the quality of the horn such that the shoe is unable to stay on due the lack of strength on the horn tissue, this is very common with concave section and with shoes that do not have a rolled edge and toe to assist the action.
3rd: The action of the horse is such that there is interference from another limb, often people take this to be a hind tracking up and pulling at the heels of the front shoe, I found on most referrals I had that in fact it was due to the front foot not being able to brake-over and get away from the approaching hind.
Now that I only perform barefoot I suggest in these types of cases that it is worth taking the shoes off just to see what the horse has in mind without any manmade influence.
Dont forget that shoes are made by man, fitted by man/woman to perform how WE think they should
and before anyone says it is typical TB feet, I find that when given the chance TBs feet are just as good as any other type, I could go into why TBs will often get collapsed heels and week caudal 1/3ds but believe me when I say that to is man made.[/QUOTE]
Hi heelfirst,
Thank you so much for your response.
How interesting.
Would you be able to advise me if i took a photo/video?
As this is proving to be very expensive, lossing up to three a month.
The first and most important as far as I was concerned when I was shoeing was: is there a conflict between the shoe and the hoof, this will happen if the hoof is fighting against the shoe at the point of impact, i.e. is the foot landing unlevel, if it is then you will loosen and loose the shoe very quickly.
Next: Is the quality of the horn such that the shoe is unable to stay on due the lack of strength on the horn tissue, this is very common with concave section and with shoes that do not have a rolled edge and toe to assist the action.
3rd: The action of the horse is such that there is interference from another limb, often people take this to be a hind tracking up and pulling at the heels of the front shoe, I found on most referrals I had that in fact it was due to the front foot not being able to brake-over and get away from the approaching hind.
Now that I only perform barefoot I suggest in these types of cases that it is worth taking the shoes off just to see what the horse has in mind without any manmade influence.
Dont forget that shoes are made by man, fitted by man/woman to perform how WE think they should
and before anyone says it is typical TB feet, I find that when given the chance TBs feet are just as good as any other type, I could go into why TBs will often get collapsed heels and week caudal 1/3ds but believe me when I say that to is man made.[/QUOTE]
Hi heelfirst,
Thank you so much for your response.
How interesting.
Would you be able to advise me if i took a photo/video?
As this is proving to be very expensive, lossing up to three a month.
Heelfirst
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Hi Mongy46,
As loosing 3 shoes a month is without doubt a problem that cant go on, but…as others know on this site I am afraid I never comment on pictures or videos, my main reason is that as I am a practicing trimmer and I feel it is unprofessional to give advise or make comment unless it is a referral.
My reasons for doing this are: it is very easy to get the wrong diagnosis and spout off a load of platitudes only to find these are passed on to another professional who quite rightly takes offence.
I quite understand you wanting some help and I hope what I am about to say will be exactly that:
You need a team around you that is on your side, a team that is asking these questions for you, a team that comes to you with a definite plan which you can either agree with or reject.
There are I know some owners who believe they can manage on their own, until of course something goes so wrong they are unable to cope, then a team has to be quickly put together under stressful circumstances, not in my mind a good solution.
So my approach would be the following:
Stop and think, does the team you have around you give you confidence, do you have an honest relationship with all of them, especially your vet. If you do:
1) Get your team (vet/farrier) together on site to discuss the problem, give them some time to come back with some ideas, this way they are not having to rush into a treatment
2) Stop replacing shoes that are coming off!, let the foot/feet rest while the team are doing their work.
If you do not have confidence in your team. Get a new one!
Feel free to PM me as I am quite willing to talk to any member of your team one to one if that would help.
The reason I have put this up on the thread and not PM’d you is I hope it might help others.
As loosing 3 shoes a month is without doubt a problem that cant go on, but…as others know on this site I am afraid I never comment on pictures or videos, my main reason is that as I am a practicing trimmer and I feel it is unprofessional to give advise or make comment unless it is a referral.
My reasons for doing this are: it is very easy to get the wrong diagnosis and spout off a load of platitudes only to find these are passed on to another professional who quite rightly takes offence.
I quite understand you wanting some help and I hope what I am about to say will be exactly that:
You need a team around you that is on your side, a team that is asking these questions for you, a team that comes to you with a definite plan which you can either agree with or reject.
There are I know some owners who believe they can manage on their own, until of course something goes so wrong they are unable to cope, then a team has to be quickly put together under stressful circumstances, not in my mind a good solution.
So my approach would be the following:
Stop and think, does the team you have around you give you confidence, do you have an honest relationship with all of them, especially your vet. If you do:
1) Get your team (vet/farrier) together on site to discuss the problem, give them some time to come back with some ideas, this way they are not having to rush into a treatment
2) Stop replacing shoes that are coming off!, let the foot/feet rest while the team are doing their work.
If you do not have confidence in your team. Get a new one!
Feel free to PM me as I am quite willing to talk to any member of your team one to one if that would help.
The reason I have put this up on the thread and not PM’d you is I hope it might help others.
LucyPriory
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Also remember the importance of having good quality horn and this is heavily influenced by diet. Also check to make sure that the hoof wall isn't thinned by rasping
Garnet
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Heelfirst is right about getting a good team around you. Ask your farrier questions and explain that you are keen to learn to do the best for your horse. Ask him (in a non-confrontational way) why your horse is loosing the shoes and what he (the farrier) is doing to help the situation, and what he thinks you could do to help the situation.
My farrier did not charge me to come out and replace a cast shoe, because he was confident that he would not have to replace many! My horse probably only lost two shoes in 15 years!
Farriers, feet and shoes are a minefield for the unwary - just reading threads on here can teach you a lot. Sadly not all farriers are equal in terms of their training and willingness to keep their knowledge up-to-date with new research.
My farrier did not charge me to come out and replace a cast shoe, because he was confident that he would not have to replace many! My horse probably only lost two shoes in 15 years!
Farriers, feet and shoes are a minefield for the unwary - just reading threads on here can teach you a lot. Sadly not all farriers are equal in terms of their training and willingness to keep their knowledge up-to-date with new research.