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I'm trying to chose a stallion for my mare next year and it's proving a real headache
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. The stallion I like best is quite likely to give me a foal which is too much for me - I have an ID/tb mare and would like to produce a nicely put together, lighter, riding type horse (most definitely not a world beater!) - ideally I'd like a light trakehner stallion or a nice moving thoroughbred, but above all something sane to give me a nice horse to have fun with.

I've just been looking at Louella stud's website and like the look of some of their stallions. I'm going to try and visit them soon (they're not far from me). Not sure if anyone here knows much about their stallions, but I'd be interested to hear if you do and if so which one you prefer? Has anyone got any Nomadic Way, Denounce or Primitive Proposal offspring as these stallions would be my favourites there? What are their characters like?

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We have used Primitive this year on Jasmin, she is always suited to a TB, Primitive also sired the the highest graded eventer type foal in this years futurity and he has a number of young stock comming through the ranks now as well. Problem is that he hasn't done that much under saddle. I liked Criminal Law, but his furtility isn't the best due to his age & Jaz isn't the easiest to get in foal.

Good luck
 
I dont know their stallions well enough, but Primative proposal, in his damline has another hoarwithy who is reknown for being temprementally difficult.

Nomadic Way and Denounce are really racehorse stallions, do not know/have not heard of any sport horse stock by them, although I may be wrong.

Criminal Law is famous for producing really tricky and difficult stock-definately more of a professionals horse.

What about High Tension at groomsbridge stud ( should find them on google) he is a full TB by saddlers wells, has been used on top sport horse mares. He has lovely movement and an even better temperment, he is a real dude, a total darling. They've used him on v.hot 4 star mares with difficult temperments to try and calm the temperment down on the offspring. He would cross really well with an ID mare.
 
me! me! I've got a Nomad and fingers crossed a Proposal foal arriving next year. All out of my mare that you saw at the Futurity (Welton Crackerjack x No Mercy xx) - the dam of our 2 Grafenstolz babies.

So not going to be much help to you on Proposal yet as I'm waiting to see, but re Nomadic Way, this is my boy by him, my mare's first foal and my hunter:

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He's 7 now and the best moving of all my mare's offspring. He's showy and always admired but an awfully careless showjumper (I guess that's the hurdler style from Nomad) and take a closer look at his vacant expression in the pics
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. Unfortunately, whilst he's got all the scope for eventing and a lovely hunter (he's brave in a crowd (
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), he has to be the yellowest, most foolish and most unfortunate horse I've ever know
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. He's had more trips to Rossdales than most of our clients put together, weaves, box walks, cribs and is a general pain at home, panicking and screaming in a ridiculous fashion as soon as anyone comes in or leaves the yard and still routinely shies at his own farts!
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That said he'd adore being someone's pride and joy and loves an outing to (non stressy) parties.

Don't know about other Nomad boys but he's quite an idiot
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and it doesn't come from Mum!

That said, Roger's parents have a Nomad mare who in contrast is v switched on and quite sparky - this is her with her Hanoverian dam:

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Re Denounce, Lucy from Louella has been showing a nice Denounce yearling filly this year successfully. You may be able to see her when you visit.
 
If you dont know their stallions how can you make such profound statements about them?
I am certainly not a 'professional' but my 17.1 gelding by Criminal Law is a perfect gentlman, so much that my youngest at the age of 3 could lead in from the field with me, just so happens his mother was by Lord David S, who was also a Louella stallion. I believe horses are not born difficult, but are are all too often spoilt by poor handling.
 
Jonathan and Lucy at Louella are very helpful, take some time to visit the stud and talk to them about what you want. They are quite happy to bring out the stallions so you can see them move and you can see what their temperments are like when handled.
We have a few by Rainbow High, and Criminal Law, have had no problems with any of them, all have been handled from day one and even though they all have different characters all are a pleasure to work with.
 
Two of my mares are by (deceased) Louella Stallions - Lord David S & Queens Soldier. I am a big fan of Primitive Proposal too. Both my mares have great temperaments.

Have a look at Future Sport Horses website, some Primitive Proposal foals on there plus they have their own (as you said ideally you'd like a trakehner) stallion Future Illusion.
 
I contacted them twice through their website this spring for more information and to dscuss the most suitable stallion for a friends Inshallah mare. They never replied.
 
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well I have no first hand experience of any of the Louella stallions, but I am open to persuede you to go the Trakehner option!!!

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What Trakehner stallions would you recommend, bearing in mind ideally I'd like to see the stallion in this country or plenty of their offspring. I adored ASM's colt and her filly that I saw at the clinic last time I was there. The filly looked super smart on the lunge but they would certainly be too much for me. I do love the Trakehner look though. Is there a similar type of trakehner stallion to Grafenstolz in England? - I was thinking about going to see Contis and Future Illusion and possibly Garuda K? Above all though as I've said I would like to breed a very sensible and easy to manage foal and I don't know about these stallions' temperaments.

Alex - I didn't know your chestnut horse was by a tb - I'd always assumed he was a warmblood. He is beautiful. What do you mean about Nomadic Way's hurdler style?
 
My own stallion is by Criminal Law out of a Krisinsky mare, Louella bred. His temperment is very good and his youngstock are proving to be lovely straight characters, we are backing two at the moment
We have found Crims just very sensitive but lovely to handle.
 
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What do you mean about Nomadic Way's hurdler style?

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Take a look at the 2nd pic - not the greatest pic (I've clearly taken to doing odd things with my lower leg) but you see a) the dangling front legs and b) no bascule - height and speed rather than technique. Roger's father's mare - a Nomad too - is just the same. I spent a whole summer gridworking him a couple of years ago, determined to start eventing him, with some improvement but he's still extremely careless with those front legs. I didn't think it worth eventing him in the end and so have kept him for hunting. Isn't helped of course by his v short attention span - the last time I took him to Arena UK he was too busy trumpeting to the horses in the collecting ring and ended up breaking 2 poles literally cantering through fences.
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My mare's next 2 babies that you know are entirely different in character and Heidi already showing a nice loose jump so I wouldn't rule Grafenstolz out for you - my 2 are both v friendly and easy to do at home and, worth remembering that whilst v sweet tempered, my broodmare can get lit up and very rhino like, so our two have this to some extent coming from both sides.
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Anyway I do know that one Nomad child has gone around Burghley!!
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- you would also have to ask about his semen quality as he would now be pretty old I think.

PS I like the look of Contis - both him and Future Illusion would definitely be worth a look for you. Garuda was also one of the stallions I liked at the Burghley parade last weekend and of course his son Gonzales did v well at the Futurity.
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The Contis foals at this weekend's Trakehner breed show loooked very smart, all very nice stamps indeed. Would definatly look at him if you want a modern lighter stamp with good movement. His sire line is very good for producing sport horses.
I would also look at garuda K, he had two Elite offspring and one high 1st premium out of 3 foals presented at the BEF Futurity this year and is rising up the levels in dressage himself too. he has so many Elite horses in his pedigree and he is lovely tall, elegant stamp.

Both those stallions would give you a lighter, more modern stamp and both owners would be very good to deal with.
 
Julia, I think Linda meant she had been trying to contact Louella by email.

I do agree with you when you say the best way to make a decision on a stallion is to see him in the flesh. One of the reasons I try and get to Germany twice a year is some stallions are very different in person to the image you get from the videos and very professional websites.
 
I'm certainly not a professional and I have a Criminal Law mare, she was a yearling when she came to me, and hadn't a clue what a human was. But she is clever, wouldn't say she is tricky, she's sweet and loving and very honest, she's only 15.2hh, here a picture of her from a couple of years ago, she's alot leaner and fitter this year........
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Thank you all very much. It's great to get some thoughts on the forum - I would have been surfing the internet for days and still no wiser!! So now I have a number of stud visits to make in the New Year. Thank you all very much.

(and I love the bit about your horse shying at his own farts Alex!! Is he really that stupid?!)
 
If you are going to see the Louella stallions, why not keep your options open and arrange to see the stallion Weston Justice by Criminal Law around the same time. I don't think he is too far away from Louellas stud in Leicestershire.

I picked him for my own ID/TB mare this year to add a bit of quality - not due until next June though.

He was a nice character, loose moving, forward but not bullish if that makes sense!

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I bought my boy from louella as an unbroken 3yo, he is not by any of their living stallions ( is by lord david s ) so I cannot vouch for them in any way, what I can vouch for however is the honesty of both lucy and jonathon who run the stud, they certainly were very truthful when I went to view my boy, pointning out both his bad traits as well as good ones, which with a seller can be very unusual.

If I was you I would give them a ring and ask them their advice, it may well help you make a descision one way or the other.
 
Hi Julia

I used the query form, on the Contact Us page on the Louella website.

Specifically asked about Primitive Star, and I can't remember the other she was interested in, she was looking for advice on what would best suit her mare based on their experience of her mares breeding and the stallions, and asked for stud cards, giving my address.

I don't know if that was you or a different email address. My friend went away with the idea that there was no interest as there was no reply to either request.

She isn't looking to breed the mare at this time, maybe she'll look into it next year - I'll make sure to tell her to call rather than trust email.
 
Sorry to hijack the post but just to say, I emailed Louella from their webpage about Another Hoarwithy this year and they did get back to me within the day, so as someone suggested, perhaps your email went missing somewhere or perhaps it was deleted by mistake, which I have done before now!
 
:-) water under the bridge now, well past breeding season - had sent 2 though.

For OP I like Stravinski, and would be thinking of going to have a look at Contis.
 
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Hi Julia

I used the query form, on the Contact Us page on the Louella website.

Specifically asked about Primitive Star, and I can't remember the other she was interested in, she was looking for advice on what would best suit her mare based on their experience of her mares breeding and the stallions, and asked for stud cards, giving my address.

I don't know if that was you or a different email address. My friend went away with the idea that there was no interest as there was no reply to either request.

She isn't looking to breed the mare at this time, maybe she'll look into it next year - I'll make sure to tell her to call rather than trust email.

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That's OK we're www.FutureSportHorses.co.uk not Louella Stud, so I'm glad to hear it wan't us that mislaid your email! Please feel free to get in touch next season if your friend's still looking.
 
i have a lovely 2yro by Primitive Proposal and if you imagine what an ideal future eventer looks like- you are imagining my Vinnie!

he is already 16.3hh but is very co-ordinated and balanced with an excellent walk, really flashy trot and an effortless canter. he is very athletic in his movement and has real presence.

he is easy to handle and 'do' now, BUT was quite quirky to start with (we bought him from the stud as a weanling). he jumped out of his stable on the day we brought him home, was fairly nervous to be handled but always very friendly and never malicious.
he can still be wary if you touch his ears butis now a dope on a rope in every other respect and anyone can lead him anywhere and do anything! he is good with the hustle and bustle of a busy livery yard and very friendly with everyone.

i think he will be easy to break and i have no qualms about doing him at home myself so i wouldn't suggest he is only suited to professionals.

as a 'by the way' he is out of a Criminal Law mare so you could say he has double quirky genes, but i certainly wouldn't class him as difficult or quirky- just a horse with more presence and brains that a typical hackabout plod.
 
I bred 2 Criminal Law boys from my TBxID mare by Gay Baron (also a Louella stallion, back in the day!), she had a super temperament. The first one was as sharp as a bag of nails, from the moment he stood up he had attitude, but he had a real "look of the eagles" too. He was a toad to back etc. His full brother was as calm and easy as they come, a doddle to back. They were chalk and cheese even though they looked like peas out of a pod... but I wouldn't make any generalisations about his stock's temperament after having my 2!!
I have heard only good of Primitive Proposal's stock and found Lucy really nice and helpful when my mare was there.
 
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