madhector
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What are your views about lunging from one of these controller type headcollors?
Would you or wouldnt you?
Would you or wouldnt you?
Lunging from a be-nice halter type thing?
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meandmyself
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I wouldn't; they're not made for lunging. I don't think there would be any way for the horse to escape from the pressure of the halter. The thin rope ones can have quite a 'bite' too.
_jetset_
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Something like the Richard Maxwell one can be used in this way to teach respect etc when used in the correct way but not sure about the Be Nice ones though...
madhector
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Ive not seen one up close, just saw someone lunging with one yesterday and made me wonder if it was common practice,
I personally wouldn't, as it looks like they can over tighten possibly
I personally wouldn't, as it looks like they can over tighten possibly
AmyMay
Situation normal
Never, never, never, never..................
piebaldsparkle
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I would never lunge in a 'Be Nice Halter'
sleepingdragon10
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No, no no no NO!!!
foraday
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Like everyone says its a no no!
The controller type headcollars are for leading only-you cannot even tie up in them.
The knotty halters (horsemans halter) you can lunge from if you have been taught the 'horse way' to lunge ie from the front then they are fine.
The controller type headcollars are for leading only-you cannot even tie up in them.
The knotty halters (horsemans halter) you can lunge from if you have been taught the 'horse way' to lunge ie from the front then they are fine.
madhector
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Never, never, never, never..................
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that was my reaction
Never, never, never, never..................
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that was my reaction
Tinypony
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I think you should look a bit more closely and see if they are lunging from a pressure halter or not. If it's a normal knotted rope halter then it's not a problem really.
"The knotty halters (horsemans halter) you can lunge from if you have been taught the 'horse way' to lunge ie from the front then they are fine."
I don't understand that bit. I've been working horses in rope halters for many years, and I don't know how you would circle them around you from the front, that would block the movement. You send them forwards from behind the "drive line" as per normal.
"The knotty halters (horsemans halter) you can lunge from if you have been taught the 'horse way' to lunge ie from the front then they are fine."
I don't understand that bit. I've been working horses in rope halters for many years, and I don't know how you would circle them around you from the front, that would block the movement. You send them forwards from behind the "drive line" as per normal.
AmyMay
Situation normal
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I think you should look a bit more closely and see if they are lunging from a pressure halter or not. If it's a normal knotted rope halter then it's not a problem really.
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I have to totally disagree with you - I can't think of anything more dangerous.
I think you should look a bit more closely and see if they are lunging from a pressure halter or not. If it's a normal knotted rope halter then it's not a problem really.
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I have to totally disagree with you - I can't think of anything more dangerous.
Tinypony
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Explain? Normal knotted rope halters don't close, and are used by horsemen the world over to work with their horses. What's dangerous?
AmyMay
Situation normal
It's simply not a piece of kit designed to be used in this way.
The nose pieces and head pieces are usually very thin, and can cut in to the horses head.
What's wrong with a good old fashioned bridle, or caverson?
The nose pieces and head pieces are usually very thin, and can cut in to the horses head.
What's wrong with a good old fashioned bridle, or caverson?
Tinypony
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Yes, they are designed to be used that way. They don't "cut in" to the horse's head, and if you look at the surface area behind the ears and over the nose there isn't much difference between that and other equipment.
Any equipment could make a horse uncomfortable if they are putting pressure against it, but that shouldn't happen. Or do you think that is the case when lunging?
And if you are assuming a level of pressure - are you saying you would lunge off a bridle?
Any equipment could make a horse uncomfortable if they are putting pressure against it, but that shouldn't happen. Or do you think that is the case when lunging?
And if you are assuming a level of pressure - are you saying you would lunge off a bridle?
AmyMay
Situation normal
Oh let's leave it shall we - I'm just not in the mood.
sleepingdragon10
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Yes, they are designed to be used that way. They don't "cut in" to the horse's head, and if you look at the surface area behind the ears and over the nose there isn't much difference between that and other equipment.
Any equipment could make a horse uncomfortable if they are putting pressure against it, but that shouldn't happen. Or do you think that is the case when lunging?
And if you are assuming a level of pressure - are you saying you would lunge off a bridle?
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Maybe, but the rope halters are specifically designed to place pressure on various places around the horses head, and the same cannot be said of a bridle.....therefore lunging off a bridle will not produce the same level of pressure as a pressure halter.
Yes, they are designed to be used that way. They don't "cut in" to the horse's head, and if you look at the surface area behind the ears and over the nose there isn't much difference between that and other equipment.
Any equipment could make a horse uncomfortable if they are putting pressure against it, but that shouldn't happen. Or do you think that is the case when lunging?
And if you are assuming a level of pressure - are you saying you would lunge off a bridle?
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Maybe, but the rope halters are specifically designed to place pressure on various places around the horses head, and the same cannot be said of a bridle.....therefore lunging off a bridle will not produce the same level of pressure as a pressure halter.
Tinypony
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Nope, they aren't. If you listen to the people who sell on EBay they claim the knots are placed in strategic places to put pressure on "magic" pressure points. But if you look at how they sit on a horse's head then you soon see that the placement couldn't ever be that precise.
Also, the people who actually make these halters for a living will confirm this stuff about the knots to be a legend. If you look up Lodge Ropes in Australia (they have a website) they have done a lot of research to debunk that myth.
Most horsemen I know understand that the difference between a pressure halter and an ordinary one is that a pressure halter has a closing action (like a Be Horrible or a Dually), and an ordinary working halter doesn't close. They would also say never lunge off a pressure halter, although the Monty Roberts people can work horses quite hard in longlines off a Dually, which I think is wrong.
I would say lunging off a bridle (ie pressure on the mouth) could be much more damaging than using a halter or cavesson, and wouldn't dream of doing it.
Also, the people who actually make these halters for a living will confirm this stuff about the knots to be a legend. If you look up Lodge Ropes in Australia (they have a website) they have done a lot of research to debunk that myth.
Most horsemen I know understand that the difference between a pressure halter and an ordinary one is that a pressure halter has a closing action (like a Be Horrible or a Dually), and an ordinary working halter doesn't close. They would also say never lunge off a pressure halter, although the Monty Roberts people can work horses quite hard in longlines off a Dually, which I think is wrong.
I would say lunging off a bridle (ie pressure on the mouth) could be much more damaging than using a halter or cavesson, and wouldn't dream of doing it.
dicey
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If you are trained properly, and know what you are doing, then there is no problem, if you are learning and/or have a more challenging horse, or the horse is learning - think again, and stick with the cavesson lung halter - much safer if correctly fitted.
Good luck, enjoy
Good luck, enjoy
madhector
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I wasnt thinking of using one, was just interested to hear peoples thoughts really
Lonesome_Dove
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Lunging in cavessons is a nightmare! I only ever do it in a headcollar or bridle and would have no problem doing it with a standard rope halter, one that doesn't tighten that is!