Lush a better approach

[LEC]

Friend phoned them today and got this response - 01202 667830. Challenge them about them giving proceeds of their product - fantastic mr fox - to the hunt saboteurs fund. They are begining to squirm, they don't like it & with a bit more badgering they may just back down.

 

[kerilli]

nice one.
i've already fired off a few emails to them, still awaiting responses.
next time i'm in P'boro i'll go into Lush and have a word with them, about why i won't be spending as usual on christmas pressies etc in there...
really hope they do back down.

 

[tinaarena]

i highly doubt lush will be squirming they are very strong about their animal rights ethics. if you dont care about animal rights go spend your money at another company, perhaps one that does animal testing?! might be more up your street?

 

[Girlracer]

What is the email to contact lush?

 

[camilla4]

if you dont care about animal rights go spend your money at another company, perhaps one that does animal testing?! might be more up your street?

That comment was cheap, ignorant and totally unnecessary.

 

[oofadoofa]

i highly doubt lush will be squirming they are very strong about their animal rights ethics. if you dont care about animal rights go spend your money at another company, perhaps one that does animal testing?! might be more up your street?

And Lush care so much about animal rights that they condone sabateurs attacking horses. Yes, they really care.

 

[combat_claire]

Well said Oofadoofa.

One well documented case saw a hunt saboteur try to push a whipper-in's horse belonging to the Surrey Union into a barbed wire fence. Then they try and claim they are interested in animal welfare. What skewed beliefs these people have.

 

[tinaarena]

pretty much like most of these discussions?! ive seen no evidence of sabs hurting your animals? the only images ive seen are those of your people battering the sabs and your horses and hounds?!ive seen this with my own eyes an many many video tapes-you tube it.

 

[oofadoofa]

pretty much like most of these discussions?! ive seen no evidence of sabs hurting your animals? the only images ive seen are those of your people battering the sabs and your horses and hounds?!ive seen this with my own eyes an many many video tapes-you tube it.

Well sabs are hardly likely to video themselves attacking horses and people and put that on youtube are they now. And as they're the ones that take out their video cameras it's quite easy to understand why you've seen more of those sorts of videos isn't it?

 

[chestnut cob]

i highly doubt lush will be squirming they are very strong about their animal rights ethics. if you dont care about animal rights go spend your money at another company, perhaps one that does animal testing?! might be more up your street?

I presume you've done your research then, and know that animal testing on cosmetics is banned by the EU? I suggest you read the link below. Animal testing is banned on finished products and is being phased out on ingredients, regardless of whether there is an alternative.

http://europa.eu/legislation_summaries/consumers/product_labelling_and_packaging/l21191_en.htm

As you'd done such in depth research into animal testing for cosmetics, am I to assume you've done the same level of research into hunting?

 

[camilla4]

pretty much like most of these discussions?! ive seen no evidence of sabs hurting your animals? the only images ive seen are those of your people battering the sabs and your horses and hounds?!ive seen this with my own eyes an many many video tapes-you tube it.

I see I forgot to add "childish and unintelligent" to cheap, ignorant and unnecessary!

 

[chester1234]

The reason the hunt sabs have videos is, as someone else said, they are the ones taking out video cameras - can you imagine a fieldmaster going around with a video camera, AND telling people to keep off the drill, AND calling ware's, AND finding ways around land they can't ride on, AND sorting out any issues at the end of the day?

 

[sam1am]

Id like to ring them up but im not quite sure what to say, could someone help?
do i just ring up and say i want to complain about their campaign?

 

[camilla4]

Id like to ring them up but im not quite sure what to say, could someone help?
do i just ring up and say i want to complain about their campaign?

Whatever you feel really Sam - some people are pro-hunting and feel that Lush are funding an organisation which endorses violent activity against people, hounds and horses; some feel that Lush shouldn't be supporting an organisation that tries to sabotage a lawful activity; some people are anti hunting and would be happy for Lush to support other anti-hunt organisations but not HSA due to their approach. (I'm the first one incidentally!). Just tell them, in your words, what your thoughts are.

 

[snails]

Perhaps Sam, if you had a real opinion and didn't just buy into what your e-friends spoon feed you, you would know what to say. Just a thought.

 

[Tinypony]

Well, here's what I've done, it's very low-key and very effective. I've composed an email to my best friends and family highlighting the Lush campaign and asking them to please not buy me anything from Lush for Xmas. I've explained that this has nothing to do with fox hunting, as I don't actually support hunting foxes myself. I've told them about the activities of hunt sabs, and quoted some real examples from my experience and a couple from here. I included the post from a lady who was out riding with her 10 year old daughter in the vicinity of a hunt - not taking part - when they were attacked by sabs.
I haven't asked anyone to join in with my tiny protest, or to forward my email. However, judging from the replies that is what many of them are doing. It's a quiet reasoned campaign from little me that will be very difficult to fight.

 

[RandR]

snails - if you actually read the post properly rather than just being a troll you would see that Sam is querying process rather than asking to be supplied with an opinion. Most country people avoid trying to cause trouble for others, and so may need guidance regards the complaints process.

The antis would receive more tolerance (I hesitate at suggesting support) from the countryside if they were to try to get to know these people and who they actually are instead of making assumptions (the huge majority are not rich snobs but ordinary people who work all the hours that god sends sometimes in 2 jobs and go without things like nights out, new clothes, holidays etc in order to pay for their horse or pony).

And, before you start on me, I don't hunt but I am sick of sabs threatening me and even trying to pull me out of the saddle of my rescue pony (which, incidentally they scared half to death pushing him around) because I ride in a red jacket (so that cars can see me on the road) and have the bare faced cheek to live in Gloucestershire. Have I video evidence of this? Of course not - who in their right mind takes expensive electrical equipment out with them when riding a horse?

 

[ilovehunting]

Friend phoned them today and got this response - 01202 667830. Challenge them about them giving proceeds of their product - fantastic mr fox - to the hunt saboteurs fund. They are begining to squirm, they don't like it & with a bit more badgering they may just back down.

Well done, probably some young 20-odd year old shop assisant, who's rushed off their feet, trying to please everyone in the shop and follows directions laid down by senior management, and you feel the need to give them a hard time. Good job.

 

[ilovehunting]

Well said Oofadoofa.

One well documented case saw a hunt saboteur try to push a whipper-in's horse belonging to the Surrey Union into a barbed wire fence. Then they try and claim they are interested in animal welfare. What skewed beliefs these people have.

I would be very interested to see the documentation.

 

[ilovehunting]

Id like to ring them up but im not quite sure what to say, could someone help?
do i just ring up and say i want to complain about their campaign?

I wouldn't unless I was very well versed in what I was talking about. A lot of the people on this forum are full of hot air. Quick to claim outrages but reluctant to prove their cases.

 

[sam1am]

A lot of the people on this forum are full of hot air. Quick to claim outrages but reluctant to prove their cases. [/quote]

Very true and i think applies more to the anti lot than us, dont you think?
:smirk:

Snails, I hunt. I have spent over seven years of my life working for a MFH. I know how I feel about hunting.

 

[GPWool]

Please do not attempt to speak for country people, you do not!
I grew up in a small village (and still live in another) in rural Dorset and I, along with many other ordinary country folk do not support hunting.
Look at the numbers, my village had a population of 200, only a handful were involved in blood sports.

 

[Eagle_day]

Oh right. So you are the authentic voice of the countryside, are you?

 

[combat_claire]

http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=36349

News coverage of the incident.

 

[combat_claire]

Does your IT teacher know you are using lesson time to troll forums!

 

[combat_claire]

Participation in country sports is not necessarily indicative of levels of support. My parents for example have no intention of following the hunt, but they are very much against the ban on hunting for issues relating to civil liberties and the waste of time in parliament.

Many of the thousands who turned out on the Liberty & Livelihood march had no active connection with country sports, but they felt strongly enough about the assault on their way of life in so many aspects that they marched in London.

Can you tell me how many people cared enough to protest march in favour of the ban??

 

[GPWool]

According to a MORI poll, 75% of the general public support the ban on fox hunting remaining, and only 21% want repeal.

I do not speak for the countryside, and judging by your opinions nor should you.

All I can tell you is that myself and the majority of the people I know (who live in the countryside) do not support hunting with dogs.

Please re-asses your mandate to pontificate.

 

[teapot]

That's the number they gave me Lec when I went into my local shop to question some stuff.

Girl I spoke too wasn't quite sure how to react to me when I said I wasn't being an arse or difficult, just saying I was interesting in a company supporting a campaign like the Sabs but yet they're promoting the company as animal friendly et al.

Makes them squirm a bit if you don't go in on your high horse (excuse the pun) about it

 

[combat_claire]

There are lies, damned lies and statistics.

I'm not sure that a poll of 2000 people can be claimed to be representative of all of rural Britain! It also depends on how the questions are phrased. The poll you refer to linked traditional forms of hunting alongside dog fighting and badger baiting, hardly an unbiased poll. It was also commissioned by IFAW & LACS.

I could easily jump up and down and go yes but all my friends support hunting, but it can hardly be called a decent or scientifically sound methodology can it.

I await with interest an actual answer to my question relating to how many people cared enough about banning hunting to march in protest??

 

[GPWool]

why would anyone march to protest for something which has happened? Try making sense and then I'll try to answer.