Angelz
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I am looking into feeding zinc and copper, does magnesium contain enough copper and brewers yeast enough zinc to not have to feed these additional supplements? (for hooves)
Magnesium-copper, Brewers yeast-zinc?
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Shay
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Magnesium and copper are two different elements - they cannot contain each other. They can't even form a compound. I'm not aware that Brewer's yeast has anything more than a trace level of zinc - but I am open to being corrected on that.
Most equine mineral licks contain both zinc and copper - you need to get the ones which say not to feed to sheep. (Copper is poisonous to sheep) MagnaCalm also has magnesium in it. The advantage of having it as a lick is that the horse can take what it needs when it needs rather than having no choice in the matter.
Most equine mineral licks contain both zinc and copper - you need to get the ones which say not to feed to sheep. (Copper is poisonous to sheep) MagnaCalm also has magnesium in it. The advantage of having it as a lick is that the horse can take what it needs when it needs rather than having no choice in the matter.
TwoStroke
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As above re. elements.
There are a few supplements available which contain good levels of magnesium, copper and zinc; they are Pro Hoof/Pro Balance +, Equimins META Balance and the Forage Plus Balancers. I'd pick one of them - Pro Balance + is the most economical iirc.
There are a few supplements available which contain good levels of magnesium, copper and zinc; they are Pro Hoof/Pro Balance +, Equimins META Balance and the Forage Plus Balancers. I'd pick one of them - Pro Balance + is the most economical iirc.
thatsmygirl
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Ditto above but equimins won't let you buy their meta balance, it's not a off the shelf product.
teasle
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I have not had any problems buying meta -balancer , you jusr ring up and order it.
Mince Pie
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Bumpy Bump!
Can you buy a zinc supplement? My new yard has had a forage analysis done and apparently they have good levels of minerals except for zinc. We're currently on ProBalance+ but if I don't need it any more I won't waste my money!
Can you buy a zinc supplement? My new yard has had a forage analysis done and apparently they have good levels of minerals except for zinc. We're currently on ProBalance+ but if I don't need it any more I won't waste my money!
tallyho!
Following a strict mediterranean diet...
Equimins Hoof-mender has a lot of zinc in aswell as an all round supplement. You can get it in a pellet so you can just feed by hand or as a powder.
Mince Pie
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Hi thanks, ideally was looking for a zinc only supp otherwise I'll just stick with pro-balance 
criso
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You can get straight zinc from progressive earth on ebay or forageplus.
But you say you have good levels of minerals - that could be a problem in itself.
Some minerals have to be in proportion to each other (Magnesium, Phosphorous, Calcium) so if you have 'good ' levels of calcium then you would find yourself having to feed higher quantities of the others.
Then Manganese and Iron inhibit the intake of Zinc and copper so a good level of manganese would mean you had to feed more of these.
If you want to feed just what you need, then maybe get someone experienced analysing results to advise.
Mince Pie
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Hi YO had a basic analysis done of her grazing (and she makes her own forage), however she has an EMS livery who paid for an in depth analysis which came back as being well balanced but only deficient in zinc
Thanks for the Pro Earth heads up, that's who I get everything else from
Thanks for the Pro Earth heads up, that's who I get everything else from
criso
Coming over here & taking your jobs since 1900
In that case then forage plus or progressive earth. Search for Bioplex Zinc.
You might ask for a copy of the analysis, you may want to look at the iron, manganese and zinc levels anyway to calculate work out how much zinc to add.
It's very unusual for forage to so be well balanced though, I know so many people who have had them done and that's the first time I have come across one that had sufficient magnesium in relation of calcium and was not short of copper. Sound like you are very lucky.
You might ask for a copy of the analysis, you may want to look at the iron, manganese and zinc levels anyway to calculate work out how much zinc to add.
It's very unusual for forage to so be well balanced though, I know so many people who have had them done and that's the first time I have come across one that had sufficient magnesium in relation of calcium and was not short of copper. Sound like you are very lucky.
TwoStroke
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Here's a link to Pro-Earth's zinc supplement : http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PRO-ZINC-0-9Kg-Horse-Trace-Mineral-Feed-Supplement-zinc-/271005432799?pt=UK_Horse_Wear_Equipment&hash=item3f192ebbdf#ht_1381wt_923
When you say the analysis came back with good levels - did the livery have the results checked by someone who knows how to interpret the analysis you get back? I only ask because the chart that is supplied which shows whether a mineral is low, normal or high is intended for cattle, not horses. It is also either low, normal or high COMPARED to the UK average, which tends to be low in copper, zinc and magnesium and high in iron, calcium etc.
So what I'm getting at
is that although the graph supplied may give the impression that the minerals are well balanced, the reality may be very different if you know what to look for.
When you say the analysis came back with good levels - did the livery have the results checked by someone who knows how to interpret the analysis you get back? I only ask because the chart that is supplied which shows whether a mineral is low, normal or high is intended for cattle, not horses. It is also either low, normal or high COMPARED to the UK average, which tends to be low in copper, zinc and magnesium and high in iron, calcium etc.
So what I'm getting at
is that although the graph supplied may give the impression that the minerals are well balanced, the reality may be very different if you know what to look for.