Map showing imported Rumanian horses in last 2 months
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Booboos
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Surely the important bit is:
"Recent developments in the EU including the UK with regard EIA have NOT significantly altered
our previous overall conclusion that there would be a low likelihood of the introduction of EIA to
the UK through legal trade in horses from the EU"
and the lack of other horses showing symptoms!
"Recent developments in the EU including the UK with regard EIA have NOT significantly altered
our previous overall conclusion that there would be a low likelihood of the introduction of EIA to
the UK through legal trade in horses from the EU"
and the lack of other horses showing symptoms!
Cuffey
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Surely the important bit is:
"Recent developments in the EU including the UK with regard EIA have NOT significantly altered
our previous overall conclusion that there would be a low likelihood of the introduction of EIA to
the UK through legal trade in horses from the EU"
and the lack of other horses showing symptoms!
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Exactly--but has DEFRA confirmed yet that the horses leaving Rumania did so with negative Coggins Tests?
Surely the important bit is:
"Recent developments in the EU including the UK with regard EIA have NOT significantly altered
our previous overall conclusion that there would be a low likelihood of the introduction of EIA to
the UK through legal trade in horses from the EU"
and the lack of other horses showing symptoms!
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Exactly--but has DEFRA confirmed yet that the horses leaving Rumania did so with negative Coggins Tests?
Booboos
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It looks like there are 3 tests for Coggins, 30 days apart. So present, plus 30 and plus 60. A negative first test is not a conclusive negative, so the horses may well have tested negative to start off with, but positive at 30 days plus. This also explains why the disease was only identified after the horses had been in the country for 30 days. All in all the system seems to have worked really well, which is a massive surprise.
KarynK
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Both the USA and Canada insist that all horses exported from them undergo coggins tests and a 30 day quarantine BEFORE they are allowed to be exported, such sensible measures ensuring only health animals are exported and enter other countries!!!!
Booboos
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Both the USA and Canada insist that all horses exported from them undergo coggins tests and a 30 day quarantine BEFORE they are allowed to be exported, such sensible measures ensuring only health animals are exported and enter other countries!!!!
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That sounds sensible as long as you trust the country where the tests are being done.
What are the export requirement from Romania?
Both the USA and Canada insist that all horses exported from them undergo coggins tests and a 30 day quarantine BEFORE they are allowed to be exported, such sensible measures ensuring only health animals are exported and enter other countries!!!!
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That sounds sensible as long as you trust the country where the tests are being done.
What are the export requirement from Romania?
SirenaXVI
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Both the USA and Canada insist that all horses exported from them undergo coggins tests and a 30 day quarantine BEFORE they are allowed to be exported, such sensible measures ensuring only health animals are exported and enter other countries!!!!
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That sounds sensible as long as you trust the country where the tests are being done.
What are the export requirement from Romania?
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All horses excepting those intended for the meat market should have a current Coggins Test, which begs the question, why these Rumanian horses did not already have one,
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Both the USA and Canada insist that all horses exported from them undergo coggins tests and a 30 day quarantine BEFORE they are allowed to be exported, such sensible measures ensuring only health animals are exported and enter other countries!!!!
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That sounds sensible as long as you trust the country where the tests are being done.
What are the export requirement from Romania?
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All horses excepting those intended for the meat market should have a current Coggins Test, which begs the question, why these Rumanian horses did not already have one,
Booboos
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All horses excepting those intended for the meat market should have a current Coggins Test, which begs the question, why these Rumanian horses did not already have one,
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Oh, did they not have one? I missed that bit. I thought they were clear on the Coggins test, but then came up positive on the 30 day repeat test.
The other option is that they may have been originally exported for meat, but then re-assigned as riding horses in Belgium. Would Belgium have a requirement for Coggins prior to export?
All horses excepting those intended for the meat market should have a current Coggins Test, which begs the question, why these Rumanian horses did not already have one,
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Oh, did they not have one? I missed that bit. I thought they were clear on the Coggins test, but then came up positive on the 30 day repeat test.
The other option is that they may have been originally exported for meat, but then re-assigned as riding horses in Belgium. Would Belgium have a requirement for Coggins prior to export?
sillygillyhorse
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I dont think horses leaving Belgium for the UK have to be Coggins tested prior to export.
SirenaXVI
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All horses excepting those intended for the meat market should have a current Coggins Test, which begs the question, why these Rumanian horses did not already have one,
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Oh, did they not have one? I missed that bit. I thought they were clear on the Coggins test, but then came up positive on the 30 day repeat test.
The other option is that they may have been originally exported for meat, but then re-assigned as riding horses in Belgium. Would Belgium have a requirement for Coggins prior to export?
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This is more than likely what has happened, unscrupulous dealers buying meat horses (at meat prices) to then sell on - they then bring them in through France and ship them here. Because of current TPA regulations, they do not need a health check of ANY kind!
There is a petition to try to get this amended
http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/TPAchanges/
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All horses excepting those intended for the meat market should have a current Coggins Test, which begs the question, why these Rumanian horses did not already have one,
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Oh, did they not have one? I missed that bit. I thought they were clear on the Coggins test, but then came up positive on the 30 day repeat test.
The other option is that they may have been originally exported for meat, but then re-assigned as riding horses in Belgium. Would Belgium have a requirement for Coggins prior to export?
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This is more than likely what has happened, unscrupulous dealers buying meat horses (at meat prices) to then sell on - they then bring them in through France and ship them here. Because of current TPA regulations, they do not need a health check of ANY kind!
There is a petition to try to get this amended
http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/TPAchanges/
SirenaXVI
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I dont think horses leaving Belgium for the UK have to be Coggins tested prior to export.
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You are quite right, EIA is not endemic to Belgium, it more than likely came into Belguim via the Rumanian horses, whom I suspect where initially intended for the meat market. This market is huge with dealers buying in lorry loads of Rumanian meat horses to sell at hefty profits in this country. They mostly ship them in through France, but it seems that these came in via Belgium, as Belgium is not part of the TPA agreement, all these horses should have had a current health check before export, I very much doubt that they did tbh.
I dont think horses leaving Belgium for the UK have to be Coggins tested prior to export.
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You are quite right, EIA is not endemic to Belgium, it more than likely came into Belguim via the Rumanian horses, whom I suspect where initially intended for the meat market. This market is huge with dealers buying in lorry loads of Rumanian meat horses to sell at hefty profits in this country. They mostly ship them in through France, but it seems that these came in via Belgium, as Belgium is not part of the TPA agreement, all these horses should have had a current health check before export, I very much doubt that they did tbh.
Cuffey
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That sounds sensible as long as you trust the country where the tests are being done.
What are the export requirement from Romania?
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http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/site/en/oj/2007/l_115/l_11520070503en00180019.pdf
That sounds sensible as long as you trust the country where the tests are being done.
What are the export requirement from Romania?
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http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/site/en/oj/2007/l_115/l_11520070503en00180019.pdf
Spudlet
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Just to point out - people have been saying that horses bound for slaughter from Romania do not need a Coggins Test but that is not correct - the exemption is for horses from outside Romania entering Romania for slaughter in Romania. (see link above)
Sorry, you know I like to see legislation quoted accurately at all times.... I'll get me coat...
Sorry, you know I like to see legislation quoted accurately at all times.... I'll get me coat...
Booboos
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Just to point out - people have been saying that horses bound for slaughter from Romania do not need a Coggins Test but that is not correct - the exemption is for horses from outside Romania entering Romania for slaughter in Romania. (see link above)
Sorry, you know I like to see legislation quoted accurately at all times.... I'll get me coat...
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Very interesting, thanks for that.
So either they had a Coggins test clear on leaving Romania and the 30 day test showed a problem in the UK (which makes sense with the dates of import and testing), or someone exported them illegally from Romania wihout a Coggins.
Either way, the UK system seems to have worked pretty well (surprising as that seems!!!).
Just to point out - people have been saying that horses bound for slaughter from Romania do not need a Coggins Test but that is not correct - the exemption is for horses from outside Romania entering Romania for slaughter in Romania. (see link above)
Sorry, you know I like to see legislation quoted accurately at all times.... I'll get me coat...
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Very interesting, thanks for that.
So either they had a Coggins test clear on leaving Romania and the 30 day test showed a problem in the UK (which makes sense with the dates of import and testing), or someone exported them illegally from Romania wihout a Coggins.
Either way, the UK system seems to have worked pretty well (surprising as that seems!!!).
foraday
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Worked well in this case however, the map does not show for obvious reasons the ILLEGAL movements of the ILLEGAL transporters bringing horses/ponies back and forth from ireland/uk/eu and vice versa.
No paperwork will exist as they say 'should they be stopped at the port of entry' unlikely as well if not using dover, these horses are from france gov'nor!
We have a ticking time bomb here
No paperwork will exist as they say 'should they be stopped at the port of entry' unlikely as well if not using dover, these horses are from france gov'nor!
We have a ticking time bomb here
Cuffey
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Totally agree
I am still waiting to hear if these horses left Romania legally
I think there was speculation in foreign press that health certificates may have been falsified but I have no reference for that sorry.
All DEFRA are saying is that legal exports should not be of any concern or likely to cause a disease outbreak.
I am still waiting to hear if these horses left Romania legally
I think there was speculation in foreign press that health certificates may have been falsified but I have no reference for that sorry.
All DEFRA are saying is that legal exports should not be of any concern or likely to cause a disease outbreak.