Meet Charlie's full brother - Snoopy

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For those of you who liked him, here's Charlie.

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And this is Charlie's baby brother Snoopy - born last Monday - and already practising to be a dressage pony!
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And here he is with his Mum, Katie.

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Katie is looking a bit poor because she had a HORRENDOUS last three weeks of pregnancy - started 1st stage labour signs at 305 days and spent the next three weeks breaking into muck sweats and getting terribly distressed. Snoopy was dinally born at 327 days - a red bag delivery and a bit crumpled - but otherwise fine!
 
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sorry if this i stupid question but whats a 'red bag delivery?' he lovely though
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Not a stupid question if you're not a breeder and don't have to worry about such nightmares!
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The equine placenta is made up of two major parts: the red bag (or chorioallantois), and the white bag (or amnion). The red bag attaches to the uterine wall and allows the exchange of nutrients and waste back and forth to the fetus through the umbilical cord. The white bag surrounds the fetus and provides lubrication and protection.

During a normal foaling, the red bag breaks just prior to the foal entering the birth canal, and the first portion of the placenta you see is the amnion, or white bag, followed promptly by the fetus it contains. The foal continues to receive oxygen via the naval from the red bag until the cord breaks when the foal is out. If the red bag comes out first it means you have a very short time in which to get the foal out and breathing independently, otherwise it will suffocate.

The red bag is much tougher than the white bag and if you're not there - and the foal can't break it - it's curtains!
 
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O glory be
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That is awful. Is it quite rare or more common than we would think for a red bag delivery?


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It's not THAT rare. I had one 5 years ago - the foal was very premature and almost certainly dead before mare went into labour.

And one two years ago (out of 10 mares - so a 10% chance that year!) - we got him out alive. And this one - I have 4 more mares to foal out of 9 in total, so that's slightly more than a 10% chance if none of the others do it.
 
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O glory be
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That is awful. Is it quite rare or more common than we would think for a red bag delivery?


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It's not THAT rare. I had one 5 years ago - the foal was very premature and almost certainly dead before mare went into labour.

And one two years ago (out of 10 mares - so a 10% chance that year!) - we got him out alive. And this one - I have 4 more mares to foal out of 9 in total, so that's slightly more than a 10% chance if none of the others do it.

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He looks gorgeous and I'm another one that feels a sudden urge telling me to buy him.
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Sorry we're probably turning this into a whole different sort of thread but can I ask if it is purely coincidental or if it runs in certain families? As in if a filly out of a mare that has had a red bag delivery sometime during her broodmare carrier, is more likely to have a red bag delivery herself?
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Fingers crossed your other four deliveries ends as well as this one.
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He looks gorgeous and I'm another one that feels a sudden urge telling me to buy him.
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Sorry we're probably turning this into a whole different sort of thread but can I ask if it is purely coincidental or if it runs in certain families? As in if a filly out of a mare that has had a red bag delivery sometime during her broodmare carrier, is more likely to have a red bag delivery herself?
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Always give in to your urges! He IS for sale! (As is his big brother, 2 year old sister, yearling brother, etc. etc. etc.
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I've certainly seen nothing to suggest that red bag deliveries run in families - or even that a mare who has had one is likely to have another.

Rosie, who had dead foal/red bag has had 5 healthy foals since with no red bags (touch wood). I have had one foal from one of her daughters - and two from another - no red bags.

Karina - who had the red bag 2 years ago hasn't had one since (touch wood) and her daughter Cleo has had 3 foals without problems.

Katie has never had one before - and daughter not bred from - so ....on that limited experience, I'd say it's probably not hereditary (unlike twinning!!)
 
Thank you for the answer, sounds like it is one of those things that just happens then.

As for giving in to my urges, I live in Sweden and sadly I don't really feel I can afford to own a horse of my own. But I still can get very tempted and seeing how gorgeous his big brother have turned out, makes it even more easy to imagine how he could look as an adult.

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isnt he gorgous!!!! exactly want i am looking for if only he was bred to jump and a filly but still lovely looking
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I can't see that family NOT jumping. Katie could clear 5 foot in her sleep in her younger days (at speed!) and while Raj hasn't done a lot of jumping (except out hunting) his father (Touch of the Blues) evented to Intermediate before he was exported to the USA. And he DOES have a very lovely 2 year old full sister!
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