Monet,s Garden treated with homeopathy

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I have just found out that my homeopathic vet treated Monet,s Garden when all else was failing and the horse pulled through, so I don,t think people should be so against this treatment as it does work!
I use both conventional medicine and homeopathy I think they both have their place, but because homeopathy is hard to understand it is dismissed when it can have great results!
 
what is a homeopathic vet? I sincerely hope no vet in the country would use such a nonsense technique. I certainly wouldn't let any vet that suggested it to me back for a second look at my horse!
 
Of course there are vets in the UK who use homeopathic methods, in fact I know of a vet who uses homeopathy who was awarded a MBE for services to veterinary medicine.

The news of Monet's Garden doesn't massively surprise me though it is pleasing to hear. I have seen homeopathy used on a few animals as a last resort and I can honestly say it made them well when conventional medicine had failed spectacularly.
 
Well, as I say, any vet who told me they were going to use homeopathy would be slung off my yard pretty sharpish and told never to darken my door again. They're supposed to be men of science. :mad:
 
pines of rome said:
because homeopathy is hard to understand it is dismissed
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HA! I understand it just fine - I understand it to be complete non-science, nonsense.

This seems a fitting time to trot out that little motto - "The plural of anecdotes is not data". If a horse was treated with homeopathy and recovered, that does NOT mean homeopathy works. It's possible (possibly probable) the horse may have recovered without intervention and probable that other changes in management and treatment were over-looked when attributing the "success" to homeopathy.

Any vet who even entertained the idea that it could work would be kicked off my yard faster than she could say "molecular memory". I have litte enough faith in clinicians grasp of science without entertaining the ones who believe in fairies and pixies
 
JFTD said:
HA! I understand it just fine - I understand it to be complete non-science, nonsense.

This seems a fitting time to trot out that little motto - "The plural of anecdotes is not data". If a horse was treated with homeopathy and recovered, that does NOT mean homeopathy works. It's possible (possibly probable) the horse may have recovered without intervention and probable that other changes in management and treatment were over-looked when attributing the "success" to homeopathy.

Any vet who even entertained the idea that it could work would be kicked off my yard faster than she could say "molecular memory". I have litte enough faith in clinicians grasp of science without entertaining the ones who believe in fairies and pixies
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Completely agree with this - in my opinion homeopathy is nothing but magic thinking. I always think that if water has a memory then why does it not recall all the kidneys and bladders it has passed through?

Homeopathy 'works' in many self-limiting conditions that usually resolve themselves with time and any instances I've seen where its 'cured' a major condition it has always been alongside conventional treatment.

The placebo effect is much stranger than people think, two sugar pills work better than one, red ones better than white and saline injections work better than sugar pills. There is even evidence for it in animals - e.g. http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/is-there-a-placebo-effect-for-animals/ through interaction with humans and also human's perceptions/expectations projected onto the animal.
 
I am not going to name anyone but if you do a search on the horse,s treatment you will find that homeopathy was used! And yes I do agree that this might not of been the only contributing factor to the horse,s return to soundness, but I wouldn,t mind betting that it helped and the fact that they sought this treatment out says something I think!
I only started this thread as a matter of interest about alternative remedies, not to knock conventional medicine which in no way am I against.
Probably should have worded it differently, don,t wish to have an argument about it!
 
Every article essentially says what it always says when homoeopathy works- we tried everything, waited a while, used homoeopathy and then eventually the horse recovered. I'd take bets that the horse would have pulled through without that, it was the fact everything else had been thrown and then had time to really take hold...

ETA: http://www.a-r-h.org/Publications/Journal/sampleArts/Tony Pinkus.pdf
They guy who treated him with homoeopathy...
 
I stand corrected if have my facts wrong, perhaps they sought my vet,s advice rather than him actually treating the horse as he one of the best in his field and yes he is a fully qualified vet who specialises in homeopathy!
 
I'm certainly one for treatments based on concrete evidence collected from scientific studies. However I do like to keep an open mind about homeopathic medicine, because even if it is just a placebo effect then that isn't to be undermined: for example, many studies have shown antidepressant drugs to have an equal effect as placebo drugs.
I also agree that just because something may be difficult to explain and we may not know how or why it works, doesn't mean it isn't of value. Homeopathic methods can and do seem to have an effect. However of all the alternative treatments available, it is one of the mosre wishy-washy ones.
 
martlin said:
Water has not got memory, water is water.
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But, but, if you drop a stone from the same height repeatedly into a bucket of water with the same depth and volume of water at the same atmospheric pressure and tempurature and drop the stone to exactly the same point in the bucket, the ripples formed will be the same each time - how can water not have a memory then? :confused::eek::p
 
Water is utterly amazing. The fact that ice floats, that it is liquid at room temperature, these are extraordinary enough. Why the need to make up magical properties for it as well? :confused:

The other molecules are going to get jealous :p :D
 
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