My aunt chose her Stallion for Cuddles 2008 foal HE IS HOT!

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The link above is him


here he is again at top of page
http://www.circlesstockfarms.homestead.com/

and the link below is who he was up against for her mare.


http://www.angelfire.com/wi/painthorses/Moepage.html



Here is her mare

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I know! I want Cuddles so badly! She has been promised to be sold to me first if I am ever in a situation to take on more horses
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My aunt is really not into a future with the paints so may or may not keep her

here is her foal from last year ( her first foal) she is out of a solid Chestnut AQHA stallion
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They're both nice looking boys. I marginally like the first one's pedigree better although I do still like the look of the second one. Nice big stocky boys!
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Gorgeous mare, and a beautifully marked stallion,I love these overos.
I don't want to scaremonger or anything Jade, and I'm sure your Aunt knows her stuff, but have you considered the Lethal White factor breeding two overos?
I was quizzing my vet about it for my overo and he recommended not to risk it. When I tried the Color calculator for two overos it came up with a 25% chance of LW.
http://www.animalgenetics.us/CCalculator1.asp

This is a very informative link to LW:

http://www.apha.com/breed/lethalwhites03.html
 
Yes that thought crossed my mind too Enfys. I preferred the tobiano personally, looks wise, but the overo does have slightly nicer breeding.
 
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Gorgeous mare, and a beautifully marked stallion,I love these overos.
I don't want to scaremonger or anything Jade, and I'm sure your Aunt knows her stuff, but have you considered the Lethal White factor breeding two overos?
I was quizzing my vet about it for my overo and he recommended not to risk it. When I tried the Color calculator for two overos it came up with a 25% chance of LW.
http://www.animalgenetics.us/CCalculator1.asp

This is a very informative link to LW:

http://www.apha.com/breed/lethalwhites03.html

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Yes, we know about lethal white and we have talked about it at length. There are alot of varrying opinions on Lethal white though and it has been proven not to be linked to only Overos. It is also present in Tobianos and solids . It is far higher in cases of two Homozygous Overos, but Cuddles is not homozygous.
There is a blood test out now that shows if the horse is a carrier of the gene but it appears that nearly any of them can in theory.
 
I replied to your PM re: Robins breeding. I think you are definitely safer going with a tobiano stallion. Make sure it's homozygous though as Robin isn't.
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Also Enfys...I just finished reading from your second link....go to the bottom and it supports what I have said above.


I would get a few more opinions from people other than your vet. An experienced breeder of paints may prove to know just as much about Paint genetics through personal experience. Speak to a few of them as well when deciding for sure


a Solid or Tobiano Satllion may still be a carrier and does not deem the foal 100% safe
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This is why I am not a breeder...too confusing and stressful for me
 
"Don't teach your Granny to suck eggs" is what they'd say in the UK, that was not my intention at all, although obviously it came across to you as that, my apologies.

Yes, I read the Myths section at the end too. I had a chat with the owner of a super overo stallion close by and she advised me not to use her boy "Just in case" which is exactly what my Vet said too, I'm really lucky as he's been exclusively treating horses for 20 years and I'd heard how difficult it was to get an Equine Vet and he is literally on my doorstep.
 
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No, I never thought you came across that way at all.

I know very little if nothing about this tbh and am very interested in what anyone else has to say. I was the one who at first was a bit scared for my aunt as I have heard of Lethal white but knew very little of it. I looked into it a little and she has spoken to several people who all seemed to have different opinions. She and I are both learning here (although far more serious in her case as she is doing it)

I tryly appreciate anything you have say or things you find in researching for your mare. I would love to know what you find out so please keep any thoughts coming and I will pass any info on to my aunt.

I only wanted to mention to you about all horses possibly being carriers in case you did not know. It just states that there is a huge misconception among people that only Overos are carriers and that ALL Overos are carriers.

Sorry if my posts sounded rude or came across like I knew a great deal about it
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I am just interested and curious is all and always love learning about anything to do with horses
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You have to be careful with roans (and a couple of others) too; so it isn't just overos.

Your aunt obviously knows more about it though, so no worries.
 
[quoteYes, I read the Myths section at the end too. I had a chat with the owner of a super overo stallion close by and she advised me not to use her boy "Just in case" which is exactly what my Vet said too, I'm really lucky as he's been exclusively treating horses for 20 years and I'd heard how difficult it was to get an Equine Vet and he is literally on my doorstep.

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btw...have you thought of having your mare tested? I am trying to convince my aunt to do this. I read that it is thought that both parents have to carry the gene to pass this on.

also......(and this is just a thought of my own)

I am wondering why(since there is a test avail) that all Overo (or other affected color)Stud owners do not have it done to appeal to a broader range of mare owners? With the stigma it could be a good idea. If I owned an Overo stud that is what I would do?
 
I just spoke to my aunt and have found out some reasssuring and interesring news!
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It appears this stallion is tested genetically Homozygous for the black gene. What this means (so I am told) is that this staillion will ALWAYS throw a black pigment to his foals in some form therefore can never produce a lethal white foal

YAY! I have learned alot today!
 
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