My grumpy mare

Ceriann

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Had my mare nearly two years - she is now 6. 3/4 ID with a sensible, steady temperament and safe as houses in traffic etc. Green to school. Our two years has not been straightforward - mixture of bad luck and saddle issues resulting in a failure to bond for a while. In that time, she has been moved twice (to me in livery once and then home to me) but is now out 24/7 and has a companion.

She has always been, and remains so, a bit grumpy. Initially she lacked manners but we worked on that and she is now generally v respectful of space etc and is like a lamb on halter. She doesn't like being brushed, can be irritable around girth area, is indifferent to fuss (walks off in field if I approach her) - at times she can be downright unpleasant (she's bitten me 4 times since I've had her - each time meaning it). Once taking rug off, once brushing her girth area, once when I approached her in field and patted her and lastly (after 12 months of no biting) when I checked her rug in the field. She is no different summer or winter. She is very food oriented so I don't treat her and she currently gets no feed.

She is v good to hack out - v sensible on her own and has never napped or misbehaved. V little fazes her. But any time we have fallen out ridden or she's been scared of something (this has happened 5 times) she explodes - think bucking bronco. I've not once been able to sit this out and come off her each time (most times in quite spectacular fashion). Not all of these episodes are her fault (only once appears to be for no reason) but her reaction is scary - from a horse that tolerates most things to a complete meltdown.

I am super careful with her saddle as we now believe first saddle (despite being checked) was badly fitting. I get saddler out as needed but at least every 6 months. Despite previous saddle concerns she is not remotely back sensitive and wasn't at the time - you can press on her back pre or post riding and she doesn't blink. Teeth are done and she has a physio when saddle done. Farrier is v good. She was back and back leg scanned after one of her episodes and no issues.

Last bad episode left me with a broken hip. Don't get me wrong not her fault, I remounted on a hack and saddle slipped (my fault - head up my backside at the time) - but she didn't just spook she exploded (and saddle didn't go completely - it slipped maybe 30 degrees left).

I am convinced something isn't right - she just doesn't seem happy. It's only me she's grumpy with too - though suspect that's because OH only leads her or holds her etc for farrier. I feel a complete failure as everyone who rides her loves her, she was a livery yard favourite and the yard I use to school all compliment me as she's so well behaved. Part of me thinks there must be something physical and part me thinks I'm trying to find a reason. I've got time to contemplate my options with her but as part of this I feel I need to consider any/all possible physical issues. I've thought ulcers before but she looks v well.

Any suggestions welcome. I'm not a bottomless pit of money but open to any thoughts or recommendations. She is currently turned away whilst I recover. Thanks to those who have got this far!
 
Have you had the vet to her about this?

I would also suspect something physical. Often when horses have a pain issue, a spook or incident such as a saddle slipping just sends them over the edge, when at other times they can contain themselves. I would want her back xraying and scoping for gastric ulcers.

ETA: I hope you recover from your injury. It is very frightening when a horse does this kind of thing, particularly when you are injured.
 
Have you had the vet to her about this?

I would also suspect something physical. Often when horses have a pain issue, a spook or incident such as a saddle slipping just sends them over the edge, when at other times they can contain themselves. I would want her back xraying and scoping for gastric ulcers.

ETA: I hope you recover from your injury. It is very frightening when a horse does this kind of thing, particularly when you are injured.

First time she did this (18 months ago) had vet out to her and had a full work up, including a full back scan at Three Counties - I was assured there was nothing to explain it. They also told me she was unbelievably well behaved being scanned! I will speak to the vet again and discuss ulcers - she doesn't come across stressy but she took a while to settle to life at home with me.

My OH wanted shot of her when it happened initially but even he now thinks there has to be a reason for it.

Thanks - hip doing well so far!
 
I am no expert, but my mare used to have odd explosions if anything upset her. Her saddle at the time cost me a fortune and was adjusted to her back, I thought I was buying her the best and it looked a good fit. She was never happy with the girth being fastened and I kept trying different girths, duh. Her back always looked fine and you could press it etc. She had the physio who didn't find anything.

Anyhow, it took me 4 years and 5 saddles, (along with countless pads and girths) until she was finally happy. You could put a toddler on her now and she has taught two children to ride. My husband used to call her 'your mental horse' after he had witnessed an episode. If you want to know my magic tack combination you can pm me if you want.

Looking back I think she was uncomfortable but putting up with it, then anything that upset her sent her over the edge.

Not saying that is your girl's problem, just my experience. I don't post much, but your story struck a long forgotten chord with me. Good luck anyway, she is lucky to have you ☺ Hope you heal quick.
 
I am no expert, but my mare used to have odd explosions if anything upset her. Her saddle at the time cost me a fortune and was adjusted to her back, I thought I was buying her the best and it looked a good fit. She was never happy with the girth being fastened and I kept trying different girths, duh. Her back always looked fine and you could press it etc. She had the physio who didn't find anything.

Anyhow, it took me 4 years and 5 saddles, (along with countless pads and girths) until she was finally happy. You could put a toddler on her now and she has taught two children to ride. My husband used to call her 'your mental horse' after he had witnessed an episode. If you want to know my magic tack combination you can pm me if you want.

Looking back I think she was uncomfortable but putting up with it, then anything that upset her sent her over the edge.

Not saying that is your girl's problem, just my experience. I don't post much, but your story struck a long forgotten chord with me. Good luck anyway, she is lucky to have you ☺ Hope you heal quick.

I will PM you! Thanks
 
Thanks - I've read loads about ulcers now and she def shows some symptoms. My initial episodes were eventually explained by saddle and since then she's been pretty good - though with my confidence slightly shot we have only really hacked (though regular) and I've never really pushed her or worked her hard. I will have a chat with my vet and look to get her scoped. It's worth a look as I'm at a bit of a loss what to do with her.
 
This may be helpful on youtube EQUINE ULCER DIAGNOSIS BY MARK DEPAOLO all of the horses shown in the video seem to be in good condition .
Mares are very good at letting us know when some thing is wrong.
 
My mare has the occasional broncing issue, hers seems to be related to her season, I've had her on NAF oestress this summer and we only had one minor incident, has never done it in winter though so may not be relevant to you.
 
My mare has the occasional broncing issue, hers seems to be related to her season, I've had her on NAF oestress this summer and we only had one minor incident, has never done it in winter though so may not be relevant to you.

I don't think it is seasonal as her grumpiness has got worse this time going into winter (though have been feeding her agnus castus all summer just in case). If I really think about it, it is her sides she's sensitive about too not her back! If only they could talk!!
 
Sounds exactly like my grumpy wench, who turned out to have Kissing spine,PSD,Osteo hock and SI pain and also very sore whilst in season. All sorted now and sound :) post op KS she was much more mellow , almost pleasant!! And is on Regumate for her lady problems and if she is still bad next spring we will scan. Seriously thinking of scoping so I've covered all bases. I'd have a full MOT, but then With all she had going on I'm probably the prophet of doom and gloom
 
Sounds exactly like my grumpy wench, who turned out to have Kissing spine,PSD,Osteo hock and SI pain and also very sore whilst in season. All sorted now and sound :) post op KS she was much more mellow , almost pleasant!! And is on Regumate for her lady problems and if she is still bad next spring we will scan. Seriously thinking of scoping so I've covered all bases. I'd have a full MOT, but then With all she had going on I'm probably the prophet of doom and gloom

Flipping heck - that's a list! Mine is sound but not forward/willing - back is def fine as was scanned after first incident (as were back legs). Was she noticeably worse in season? Mine def swings re grumpiness (autumn she started to threaten to bite again after a long period of not biting) but it's not seasonal (her episodes have happened spring, summer and winter!). I will have another chat with my vet next week. I hopped down to the field earlier and she looked pretty content but she's not allowed to be a 6 year old pet quite yet!
 
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