My horse dentist gets an award

But he's not on this list
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just because he is not on the list,it doesnt mean he is a bad dentist,i think people take the list to seriously there is more to it than you all think,it takes people maybe 3 or 4 years of working to be able to even think about getting started on the pathway of getting on the list !! its not so cut and dry
 
Just because they are not on the list does not necessarily mean they are a bad dentist true, however you have just confirmed why it is sensible to use only a dentist on the list. If you want one of the best for your horse, then
by your own words if they need to have 3-4 years experiance before they can even be considered for pathway to get them on the list then by the time you are on the list you probably have alot of experinace and know your stuff.

Now that is the kind of dentist I want to work on my horse.
 
yes that is true,then it is a 2 day course,2 multible choice exams and 1 hour on a sedated horse,its not years of training with them to get recognition ! but dentists are already out working so how do you get the experiance if people only use people on the list ???? its all a bit backwords if you ask me !!
 
But how do you know how good a dentist is?

I may be ignorant but apart from what they are telling me I have not a clue of how it should be, and even if I did I certainly cannot see much of the inside of my horses mouth or even feel a lot of it without risking damage to my hand!

I do sympathise paitbox edt with you comments , how indeed do they get the experiance to qualify if everyone stuck to baedt qulified only, however to say that all it consists of is a 2 day course with multiple choice questions is a little simplisitic!

And lets face it if a dentist could easily register as baedt qulified they would, as surely it is good for buisness, unless off course they already have more buisness than they can handle.
 
By the fact i have seen enough work, know how my horses mouth should feel, and the fact he actively encourages me to feel around the back of my horses mouth
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He also works with one of the top vets in the county, and rubbishes that list because of the content (or lack of) in the exam
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He is DEFRA qualified, and highly thought of in the area
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unfotunately that is what the it consists of if you look on the website it explains everything you need to do to A get to the stage to get on the course and B what the exam consists of then paying your membership yearly after that of which if you dont pay the membership then you have to resit the exam !!! isnt that simplistic ?
 
the thing is if you dont pass the exam they do not stop you from working they just say to resit it next time,is just a backward way of doing things,you are not allowed to use powertools untill you have passed the exam but you cant do the exam until you have experiance with powertools,i could go on all nite about it all im saying is it is not as cut an dry as people think !
 
Thats what my dentist was saying Paintbox. He was saying the whole exam though for that list was a shambles though as it wasnt teaching you to do a good allround job?!!
 
well if that was the case then I wouldnt have bothered!

Definately the hardest and most stringent qualification I have done. The examiners pick you to pieces about every aspect of your work from the cleanliness of your car/kit to ethical welfare to v advanced theoretical and practical ability
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I can yet again see that a dentistry debate is ongoing. A few things you all may find worthy of consideration. DEFRA are looking at an exemption order to allow EDT'S to do certain cat 2 precedures ask yourself why? Most EDT'S trained in the USA are trained in procedures which are illegal in this country, procedures which as a rule must be carried out by trained vets. EDT.S trained in this country are generally only trained in cat 1 dentistry and freely accept that all other procedures must either carried out by vets or under close supervision. To just get a reality check many EDT'S that not only claim to be better than others because of the letters after their name do in fact prove false to the standards they claim to uphold, eg BVDA and other associations say no sedation no power tools even though they (the dentist) claim it is ok as long as they have the customers approval . So if your dentist is saying power tools are ok without sedation question their real care and consideration of the client yes thats the horse not the bill payer. Every vet i have spoken to including BEVA vets and examiners agree power tools without sedation is a no no. AS a post script i'm glad your dentist has recieved an award i am sure you are proud of him, i wish him all the best.
 
<font color="blue"> the exam doesnt teach you to do a good job - it examines your ability and if you slip up anywhere on any of the 3 stages of the exam then you are out! </font>

And from what I gather, it has got a whole lot toughter now than it was in its infancy. I think 30% might be the pass rate nowadays. So, there may well be some on the list who have passed but not upped their game in line with progress. I still think WWAEDT or BEVA listing is an important indicator of an EDT's desire to be scrutinsed and examined.
 
From what I remember when I did my exam there were around 22 who started out on the 1st theory stage (some were retakers from the previous year) and by the end only 5-6 passed all 3 stages.

It certainly isnt a case of "being better than anyone else" just because we have this qualification and noone is saying there there arent other decent EDTs without the exam. All it means is that we are willing to be scrutanised and want to prove our abilities within the industry. Surely this cant be a bad thing?
 
KatB, out of interest who do you use?

A couple that come to my yard aren't on 'the list', but mine is, have heard good and bad about all 3 so always interested in more opinions!

PM if you prefer
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I like you think to be scrutinized is a good thing. However it is easy to be well behaved when being watched, what happens when you are out practising by yourself? do you still uphold all the recommendations of your association. May be regardless of what we do for a living we all should consider wether we are really doing what the organisations we claim to represent expect of us. I noticed Victoria you didn't say if you always have the horses sedated with power tools.
 
I am not quite sure why you are ganging up on me iknownothing?

Yes I do use custom power tools unsedated on horses that I feel are suitable candidates. I do this and so do 99% of all other BEVA EDTs as only minor work can be completed by hand and if we didnt do this there would be a hell of a lot of horses with severe malocclusions wondering around otherwise.
RCVS have stipulated that they have no interest in persuing anything legal to qualified EDTs for using power (under 1966 veterinary surgeons act) and I am sure you know the excemption order that is going through at the moment anyway.

Again, I dont know why you are moaning about us qualified EDTs doing it when maybe you should be aiming your thoughts to the hundreds of non qualified with minimal training using power on unsedated horses? again not saying everyone unqualified is useless but I know for a fact of quite a few with 2-3 weeks training using power unsedated. These are the guys RCVS will come down on like a tonne of bricks should anything go wrong..........not us

I have been running power for nearly 5 years and previous to qualifiying I ONLY used it on SEDATED horses.

I dont know whether you think I have pointed out the obvious or not as I dont know whether you are a vet or a horseowner so I dont want to sound patronising.

For what it is worth the power I run is not the same the most vets use (oscelating carbide blades which can cause severe tissue damage) I use a reciprocating carbide disc that is equine specific with many safety features. I am happy to hold the disc running on the underside of my forearm, that is how tissue friendly it is. Also, I have probably treated an extremely large number of horses with this and hand on heart I can say not once have i caused any soft tissue damage nor misused the instrumentation resulting in the horse not being able to eat.
 
i for one do not think its advisable to try and correct any serious maloclusions using power tools unsedated!!! most vets round here would tell you to stop if you did,hand tools are fine and can easily reduce and correct minor abnormalitys for any more serious work then sedation is generally best as when we do any work with any tool on the molar arcades we reduce occlusion(the gap between the teeth) to increase this you need to correct and reduce the incisors,they are very sensitive so always require sedation...this is my view gained by experience and also by the many dentists who i work and associate with,,,,but as with anything in this world everyone to there own....
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There is no reason why malocclusions cannot be corrected unsedated, the severity of which is dependant on the amount of visits required to reduce them sufficiently/safely.

I dont know whether you are aware but you treat each tooth individually, not the whole arcade as one therefore gapping the whole row of cheek teeth would not be and has never been an issue for me.

Gapping the cheek teeth as a whole is poor poor work and should never get to the point where you need to correct your work by reducing the incisors in order for the cheek teeth to meet again.

good day to you
 
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