NED online question

[Spyda]

There are several horses that I have personally bred over the years, on NED Online and I am wondering if there is any way of logging this fact against their records.

I can't see it's possible to do this, unless you are the registered owner or have the passport number but just wondered if I'm wrong?

 

[Maesfen]

Sadly, no. It's been queried before by several people who would all like to be 'connected' to horses they have bred but sold on; it's something stupid to do with data protection. Bit stupid IMO, as a breeder, your name and address is in the passport anyway so why would you be worried about it being on internet too, doesn't make sense at all.
Typically DEFRA, they gave them the silliest remit and while it's mandatory for PIOs to upload their data, they didn't insist that that data included, name, dob, sire, dam, etc; sire and dam are completely up to the PIO if they include that or not; where is the sense in that?
Sorry, a bit of a hobby horse of mine!
To 'connect', you need name, UEL number, name of PIO and date of the issue of the passport. Not every PIO gives you that date so you have no chance to connect up unless you ring the PIO for it first and even then, even with the horse passport being in your name as registered owner, it doesn't work, or hasn't for me. That has to be the stupidest security question ever!
NED could so easily have been the best thing out since sliced bread but it's falling down so very short of our expectations and this is mostly to do with DEFRA and their feeble attempts at regulation, not the people that actually are involved with NED themselves; they had not been given the full scenario it needs from DEFRA in the first place.

 

[cullord]

I went on this week to update my horse details on NED Online. I read about it in a horse magazine. It suggested adding freezemark and microchip details to your horses info. Supposedly may help against theft and duplicate passports being issued. Dunno if it will, though. Depends on whether scrupulous checks are made every time a new passport is issued, and I expect they arent.

 

[Maesfen]

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I went on this week to update my horse details on NED Online. I read about it in a horse magazine. It suggested adding freezemark and microchip details to your horses info. Supposedly may help against theft and duplicate passports being issued. Dunno if it will, though. Depends on whether scrupulous checks are made every time a new passport is issued, and I expect they arent.

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You can only do that though if you are 'connected' to that horse anyway under the 'my horses' section. Even if you're the registered owner, if you can't answer those security questions, you have no chance to 'connect' unless you were the first person to register that horse. It works only if you remember to 'connect' when you first register the horse; once it's out of your hands/sold on, then you've no chance unless you have kept complete records or a photocopy of the passport which gives you those details. It will be interesting to see if anything changes when I sell my yearlings on, whether I will still be able to access their details in the 'user entered' section.

 

[sywell]

A point that is made is that NED use date of original issue of the passport as a reference point. Some organisations even re issue passports on change of ownership and some think that NED should use the date of the last change of ownership as a reference point. One of the problems is NED is there to record the issue of passports to a horse not to identify a horse. If a horse has a pedigree cetificate from a studbook and applied for a passport from an ID only PIO one would think the 15 digit reference studbook reference would have been used but this has not happened and of course when passports were overstamped a new UELN was issued. So you can have a pedigree Oldenburg born before 2000 with DE 333 14 digit number but with an ID only passport and no record of the number and so the horse cannot be traced but the passport can.