Need some advice...not sure what to do *sorry long!*

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Well I'm now 10 weeks pregnant and starting to get a little stressed about what to do with Missie whilst I'm pregnant. At the moment I'm fine riding but I don't know long I'll feel happy doing so and I need to make a decision! It's not easy as I don't have any family members who are in a position to look after her and ride her regularly, and having recently been diagnosed with bone spavin my original plan of sending her to a professional to event for the season is now out of the window
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It also means I wouldn't really want to put her out on loan as I would want to be sure she goes to someone knowledgable who is going to be sensitive to her condition and not aggravate it, inadvertently or otherwise!

First some background on the horse: rising 6 TB mare, very talented but sadly diagnosed with bone spavin in January and not really up to full work at the moment, though hopefully she will come sound enough in the next few weeks/months to be worked relatively normally; bit of a play it by ear job at the moment though. Competed successfully at unaffiliated dressage last year and done BE affiliated up to PN. When sound easily capable of affiliating in any discipline. Sweet natured but green, can be sharp and forward-going, needs experienced hands!

So my options so far are:

1. Turn her out for a few months until after the baby's born
Pros:
• It's cheap
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She could come home to my parents' farm so there would be no livery costs and she'd be close by with good grazing and trusted people on site

Cons
• Probably not the best option for arthritis, generally better in work
• If she comes back to the farm she would need a companion
• She won’t learn anything or be in work and is only young (5) so I will more than likely have to start from scratch with her next year, not ideal when out of practice, unfit and with limited time!

2. Put in foal
Pros
• She won’t need to be in work
• Potentially nice foal at the end

Cons
• Her condition is likely to be genetic so breeding would be a risk
• She will be out of work for a long time, so I won’t be able to ride for a while even after the baby's born & as above I will have to start from scratch with her
• Cost of stud/vet fees
• Foal to look after at the end

3. Ask my good friend to ride her
Pros
• Know my friend well & trust her to be able to care for & improve Missie as she is very knowledgable and experienced
• She could stay at my present yard, with existing vet, physio etc
• I could stay involved and watch her being ridden/competed
• Fairly inexpensive
• If she proved to not be up to doing much work it wouldn’t be a big problem as I haven't gone to too much upheaval

Cons
• My friend might not want to /have time as she has a horse of her own and works full time; 9/10 months is quite a big commitment time-wise
• Could be awkward if issues arise as she is a friend
• I don’t want to put my friend under any pressure to help me out, and I would want it to be for her enjoyment and not just to help me – which it may not be if Missie isn't sound enough to do much with

4. Send her back to her breeder for a while
Pros
• I have stayed in touch with her breeder who knows & loves her, & is therefore likely to take care over her schooling and treatment, & as it is Missie may not charge the earth
• She is a professional event rider and produced her very well initially so would be great for improving her schooling if Missie was up to it

Cons
• She's based in Oxfordshire (I'm in Yorkshire), so I wouldn’t be able to visit Missie or watch her being ridden or competed
• I can't help thinking it might be better to keep a distance from the breeder who I think can get quite emotionally involved as Missie is the daughter of her best ever eventer; what if she thinks I’ve not done a good job with Missie or is then critical of future plans having got back involved with the horse? But I may be being irrational!!
• It's a long way for her to go for a holiday if she's not sound enough to do anything

5. Send her to my trainer's event rider friend
Pros
• She should be capable of improving her and competing her if Missie’s up to it
• Recommended by trusted trainer

Cons
• Again she is based down south, so I wouldn’t be able to visit Missie or watch her being ridden or competed, or have much knowledge over what she’s doing day to day
• I don’t know the person
• She may be expensive
• I suspect there are other places up north who could offer similar service?
• Missie may not be sound enough to make it worthwhile

6. Send her to the Yorkshire Riding Centre on schooling livery
Pros
• I have had lessons with two of their advanced instructors and was impressed with them both so would be good to know they're riding my horse, also one of them has ridden Missie last September so knows her
• Relatively local, so I could go and visit/watch her being ridden
• Professional environment, great facilities, instructors have support & training of the Bartles

Cons
• Likely to be expensive on long term basis
• Missie may not be sound enough to make it worthwhile

7. Send her to yard which offers recuperative livery
Pros
• People on site who have experience of caring for horses with illness/lameness/injuries, & facilities to match eg. hydrotherapy, physio/vet visits, solarium etc
• I know at least one in my area which seems to have experienced people on site who can also ride and school horses
• Tailor-made exercise/therapy programmes
• Local, so could visit etc
• May be an option in short term, then if came sound enough could swap to more straightforward schooling livery elsewhere?

Cons
• Likely to be expensive on long term basis
• Riding side of livery may not be as good?

Sorry this is so long, but I thought it would be useful to put down all my thoughts. I think really I've decided that breeding isn't going to be an option, and turning her out would be my last resort I think. The only other option would be to advertise for a sharer, but I really would like someone experienced and capable to ride her who is going to do her some good - not saying that a sharer wouldn't bet this necessarily but it is still a stranger you're trusting with your horse on an informal basis. I imagine the right person would not be easy to find...

Anyway I'd really appreciate some advice, what would you do in my position?
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I know I probably need to make some enquiries, but I wanted to have a bit better idea of what I want to do before I start approaching people, especially friends...
 
crikey, that's really difficult. such a shame about the bone spavin.
if she was mine, i'd chuck her out in the field with a companion, but that's because i'm a control freak about my horses!
look for a sharer, definitely, i think. that way you can vet them, you can keep an eye on them, etc etc.
btw, 2nd pic from L in your siggie, is that at Windsor, the fence before the 2nd water? i'm sure i recognise it.
 
Yeah it's hard, I keep going round and round in circles with it!! While I'm pretty experienced and capable I need to be honest about what I'm going to have the time and desire to do after the baby's born, so for me being able to send her away to someone to improve for me would be the ideal, so I can just hop back on and have fun next year. But the bone spavin has just put a major spanner in all the works
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Yes that's Windsor, 1999 Junior Champs to be precise! Great course, one of my favourite photos
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hi how are you? hows the baby stuff going? im 5 months now and trying to make decisions about my pony, spending alot of time crying about him i have to admit!

its really tough deciding what to do isnt it? id turn tinker out and start again with him once baby arrives if i could but im not in a position to do it, limited grazing where i am! dont think id do that with missie though as she obviously has lots of potential and it'd be alot harder work starting again with her than it would my little 13hh pony!

iv just had major issues with my friend/sharer to the stage of not wanting her to ride him anymore cause she's causing lots of behavioral issues in him but im too soft to approach the subject - long story!

i think personally id send missie to the recuperative livery, you have a good amount of pros for that and its local so you can monitor whats going on and as you say she can be moved/decision can be looked at again depending on how things go!
 
Hi, I'm fine thanks, hope you are too? I'm trying to just go with the flow for the time being as I'm fine riding at the mo, but it's never been a strong point of mine! Maybe you should send Tinker down my way, at my parents' place we have TONS of grazing but no company....!
 
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Well she is out 24/7 at the moment but still being ridden, it's more whether she would be better having a complete break for a few months or would improve faster/stay sounder with work?
 
Oh bloody hell what a hard decision!
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You know Im lucky enough to share with my sis and she will be doing all the riding once Osc comes back into work but I think if I was in your position I would put him out to grass for a year. Try looking for a sharer in the mean time and see if anyone decent comes up. Isnt there onyone on here thats looking for a share?

How are you feeling BTW? I now have a small bump (although I think it looks like Ive just eaten too much
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I'm sure if I asked I'd find people who were looking to share, but it's whether there'd be anyone who'd be capable/experienced enough (in my eyes!), as if they weren't going to be able to improve her then I may as well turn her out... Also if she doesn't come sound enough then it probably wouldn't be that satisfying for the sharer either?

I was just going to PM you actually to see how you're getting on, I think I need to see bump pictures fairly soon please...?!! I feel absolutely fine, completely normal in fact apart from I seem to be getting a bit fatter and can't do up my tight jeans any more
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I just had a little clear out last night of 'things I'm not going to be able to wear for several months/ever again'...!
 
My 7yr old had spavin - I'd go for a year T/O. You may find that it is just what she needs for the bones to fuse and she'll come back sound - esp if she isn't fully sound at the moment.
I wouldnt breed from her and if she isnt sound at the moment I wouldnt want to be loaning her out or competing her.
Do you know anyone with a youngster or older horse that you could use as a companion and then you could have her at home. Sounds ideal
 
How about if you do find a sharer could they have lessons with whoever teaches you?

Will PM you about bump so as not to clog up your thread
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Thanks, I'm really interested to see how many people are advising turn out. Did you do this with your 7 year old? How is he/she now?
Companion wise I can't think of anyone off the top of my head but if I put my mind to it I'm sure I could come up with something. I did think about buying a shettie (after all bubs will need something to ride when he/she gets a bit bigger!!) but I suspect on our grazing it'd have lami in 5 minutes...
 
I'd keep hold of her, the break might do her good, just go with you're instincts.

A friend of mine was pregnant up until a few weeks ago when she gave birth, she rode until she was 8 months gone! Im riding a mare for her, and after 5 days of having the baby she was up on the mare cantering round the field!! She's mad! she owns a welsh stud, she puts baby in a sling thing, breast feeds and feeds horses all at the same time!
I wish I was like that!
 
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How about if you do find a sharer could they have lessons with whoever teaches you?

That's a good idea...

Will PM you about bump so as not to clog up your thread
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yey!
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Tinker would love to be back out 24/7 with a friend again! id prob be tempted to leave him with you for your little one, you'd have longer to sort out his cheeky behaviour for your new arrival than i do for my 3yr old!

How far away from me are you? im in dundee!
 
Well I'm in York, so not desperately local admittedly! But if the arrangement suited us both then there's always transporters... As you can tell from my post (!) I haven't decided what's best to with her yet, and if I do turn her out it might not be for a while, but maybe PM me and we could have a chat about it?
 
No bones about it, I'd turn her away if you want to keep her. She's still a youngster so not critical schooling wise, the continual movement will do her far better than circles and standing in.
After all, if you think her lameness could be a problem how many people are going to want a problem to start with?

Speak to Siennamiller on here; she's just had Ben, think he must be 8 months by now and I know she won't mind me saying she is finding it a struggle due to time restraints; in fact for that reason she is looking to sell Bea when she is weaned in the autumn. Babies can take up more time than you think especially if you don't have a handy baby sitter at your beck and call.
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I was lucky i managed to ride(and hunt)up until i was just gone 7 mths pregnant,and then turned my horse away for a few months.
If i was in your situation i would carry on riding until you felt it was no longer possible and then turn her away,and then hopefully you wont have to turn her away for to long.
 
Well thinking about it I suppose I could turn her away and then when she was back in work and fit enough she could go somewhere for some schooling then if necessary? Would save me a lot of money that's for sure!

I'm sure you're right about babies taking up a lot of time, but if she had been turned out at home and stayed there then at least I would have my mum on hand for babysitting while I rode!!
 
My pony was diagnosed with bone spavin and, due to other problems she had, I had to turn her away. She was turned away for about 6 months and although she will never be sound enough for jumping etc (due to bone spavin and other probs) the period of time she was turned away improved her so much.
If i were you I would probably turn her away, let her recuperate. And the re-evaluate every few months to see whether she'd ready or sound enough to do some work.

Good luck.
 
I think I would seriously consider turning her away...they always recommend natural movement as in turnout as the good thing for arthritis...especially as you are unsure as to how well she will cope now with exercise in the near future.
She can have a break and freetime, you wont be constantly thinking about what she is up to, what work she is being asked to do, she is still young too so she could be brought back to whatever work is viable...and have time with your new status of being a yummy mummy!!
You are giving yourself lots of options which is fantastic and having her best interests at heart...but maybe the simplest thing is the best for you both.
 
personally turn her away get a companion from a rescue center , she would be doing alot of walking whilst grazing they walk miles in a day even if it is slow in the same circle she would benifit from it and you will be in no stress after bubbys born coz belive me you will want time to sort your head out xx good luck you xxx
 
I would turn her out...she may not be learning anything new but she will mature brilliantly...and it won't do her soundness any harm. You can then both get riding fit together post sprog.
 
I'd turn her away. At least you'll still be in control of her. The break would porb do her good, and she'd easily come back into work.
I don't think the schooling/ training livery options are in her best interests when her soundness is in question. With lots of diffrent riders changers in her condition may go unnoticed. Also, limited turnout arrangements at YRC, and turnout is V benificial for arthritic type conditions.
Best of luck with her and the baby
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