Need your attention....Colic, but not the normal?

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Hello following on from my post regarding the cob stallion which had come down with colic the other day [3 days ago], things have become very weird and even vets are stumped.

Basically, cob #1 was found with colic wednesday morning when we went down there. Bed was trashed, he'd kicked through the pen wall and was just in a general state really. All muscles were twitching, he kept walking round backwards and then lying down getting cast each time, hay hadn't been eaten - wasn't sure about how much water had been drunk as it had been tipped over over whatever struggle had gone on in the night.

Anyway....he kept lying down, all muscles were twitching were hours [vet called pronto and came out]. Vet was quite stumped as to what was causing it as he diagnosed it as a colic of some kind, but no 'common' cause.

Anyway, Enrique [cob] got tubed and given painkillers and he recovered fine. Appetite back by the next day and back to normal - though very thirsty.

Anyway....fast forward to the day after his colic, when we went down to check him the next morning again - the trotting horse NEXT to him had come down with the exact same things. [muscles twitching, walking round backwards, lying down getting cast etc]. So vet called out again. Same things done, he was fine the next day. No water drunk all day/night till that evening.

Anyway. Fast forwards to today, and a third horse has just come down with it. The little welsh who's stabled down the other end of the yard. Same symptoms, etc. Same things done. Hid water had been half drunk - however he normally kanes his and goes through about 3 a day.

Vets now think it must be a toxin of some kind triggering it, grass sickness was mentioned however none of the above have been out on grass lately.

Feedwise, they're on pretty much just hay at the moment.

Water - same supply as they've always had since last year. We've got one mains tap and one trough. They're watered from the tap.

At the moment, all other horses are fine. So far it's been one per day. It's just very very weird. It's not 'typical' signs of colic - they're not pawing, trying to get their stomach etc. All they're muscles twitch and they're walking backwards round their boxes and then lying down but in a position where they're getting cast each time.

Obviously, getting very worried now.

Don't suppose anyone is getting anything similar to this at the moment?
 

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Not yet. Now this has been the third horse however bloods are being done tomorrow I think as they've said tonight it must be toxin caused.

Forgot to say. We swapped to a new bale of hay this morning also and it's been a different bale [though same quality] for each day. It's been 3 horses out of 30 odd [which have all had the same water/hay] affected.
 

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Not yet. Now this has been the third horse however bloods are being done tomorrow I think as they've said tonight it must be toxin caused.

Would just be interested to see if the muscle enzyme levels were altered. Did you see my edit though? Hay has been implicated in grass sickness cases before, certainly that is what sprung into mind reading your post initially.
 

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Thankyou. I'll have a read through that now. The other 2 have been back to normal after 24 hours, which is odd? Keeping an eye on the third one tonight, again, so if he is like the other 2, then tomorrow he should be back to normal if it's the same we've concluded.

I don't like it though. A few weird things have been happening all week.
 

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'' If any dung is passed, the pellets are small, hard and may show a ‘cheesy’ coating of mucus''

First cob had this. Remember the vet saying.
 

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Can you say for certain that a person has not been able to give them anything?

Only asking, as about 20 yrs ago I had 3 colic cases in 4 days :mad: this was most likely caused by a 3rd party.
Water Hemlock was found on the final day - and on doing a complete search of the yard for minute pieces (with 2 vets & an assistant helping), this was deemed to be the cause. It was NOT from any hay we had (was sent for testing) & this all came from the same farmer who could show exactly where it came from. We had none in the fields or growing nearby (involved botanist from local uni to help out)
Stopped as suddenly when 1 of my brothers camped at the yard in a stable for several nights & then randomly after, along with my GSD.

Also, any problems with spores/mould (maybe in roofing etc)?
It has been very wet & warm for the time of year which encourages spores to grow.
Edited to add: some spores will produce toxins which in turn can cause all sorts of internal probs from colic to muscle spasm etc

Sincerely hope you get to the bottom of it asap
 
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grass sickness can happen without access to grazing, altho its a lot more unusual. But would imagine that the horses would have gone drastically downhill if it were GS so looks less likely now?

Im just wondering too about poisoning from some plant or other too.
 

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Thanks. I did bring that up to, but I honestly don't know regarding anyone giving them anything. The cob is friendly, the trotter is very very nervous and will not come up to people [though will eat anything] and the welsh doesn't normally come up to people, but again, will eat anything.

Our barn is secluded and just ours - we don't have anyone else there apart from ourselves and the other side with the hunters in is padlocked. The side that they're in, is chained, but not padlocked.

It is 'private' however is in a popular place for walkers etc. We've gone up before and have found extra hay put into some of them, which we weren't pleased about at all as it is private and full of youngstock and stallions.

No mould that we're aware of and floor is conrete, wall's are metal [apart from cobs who had wood cladding on front part] - roof is VERY high [think big cattle barn type building with pens in].
 

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Sorry to about your horses. My initial thought was equine atypical myopathy. It can affect several horses together and in some cases some of the first symptoms are colic like. I would be surprised though if your vet hadn't checked this out given the recent increase in cases and especially as you (like us) are in the part of the country where they seem to be occurring. I haven't seen it myself, only know someone who lost a horse due to it so don't know how well your horses' symptoms match. It may be worth just eliminating it at least.
 

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Having see two ponies "taken" by grass sickness this does not sound like the same thing to me at all. Hope you understand cause soon and no more come down with it what ever it may be!!
 

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Thanks, as horrible as it is, both have gotten over it within 24 hours and back to their normal selves - which is the confusing thing. Both back to eating like normal, drinking like normal [if not a little bit more - though weren't drinking whilst they were 'off' so probably just very thirsty when 'right' again], etc.

Regarding myopathy - was worried about that to start with too with how many cases have been around here, but none have been stiff or relunctant to move, quite the opposite. They've all been walking round their boxes freely [albeit backwards most the time] and when we've been walking them out, there's no stiffness or reluctance to. And again, within 24 hours, both have gone back to normal.

I'll be bringing everything mentioned on here up....Going to have to see what tomorrow bring :eek:
 

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Quick reply as on phone. Symptoms not suggesting GS as know reasonable amount as lost Higgs to this. Poisoning of some sort? Has the vet taken bloods?
 

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All horses are fine again today. Welsh is back to normal, all other horses showing no ill effects or abnomalities either.

Odd. Very odd!
 

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