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i bought my sons pony on 10th march. The evening of the sale we noticed he had a limp. we thought at first it might be a knock or something so gave it a couple of days to recover, since then had the vet out, n she says there is so much muscle loss there is no way it could have lost that amount in the time we have had him. he was clearly lame prior to us buying him. any ides where i stand ???
 
the lady claimed he had never been lame or needed vet when she had him. but in the vid of her doing our viewing where my son sat on him in a walk u can clearly see the limp.
 
What does your receipt say? If it says 'sold as seen', then I'm afraid you can do nothing at all about it.
If there is some sort of guarantee, then you might have some come-back. I'm guessing that you didn't have the pony vetted?
I'm not sure why you didn't spot the lameness prior to the sale if you can see it in the video. It doesn't sound as if he was buted up to mask the lameness.
 
because it was a freind of a freind i didnt get a recipt or a vetting. In the vid its a very very slight limp. it was the vet who noticed it not us, as i showed the vet when she came out the vid. she said that a inexperienced person wouldnt notice. but she noticed how his gait changed slightly. The owner did state that he was unbroken, and when i asked if he ever had any lameness, colic etc she said No he never has and has never needed the vet.
 
Oh dear!
Perhaps the vendor wasn't experienced enough herself to notice a slight lameness on an unbroken pony. The only thing I can think of that you could do, would be to contact the vendor and tell her what your vet said. But tbh, I wouldn't be surprised if she says 'your problem, not mine'. Did the vet say if she thought the muscle loss could be rectified?
 
I can assure you it's not a troll. We were going to get him professionally broken for my son to ride. The vendor sat on him first to show he was happy with someone sat on him and then asked if my son would like to. My argument is not with the temperament of the horse as I have no qualms in that direction.
 
In answer to you pearl the vet was unsure where the problem lay. It is def his shoulder. He is on anti inflammatorys and pain killers for 1 week, if that does not work then he goes for X-rays etc. the vet said for the amount of muscle loss he has the problem has been there a while
 
FallenAngel41 said:
i bought my sons pony on 10th march. The evening of the sale we noticed he had a limp. we thought at first it might be a knock or something so gave it a couple of days to recover, since then had the vet out, n she says there is so much muscle loss there is no way it could have lost that amount in the time we have had him. he was clearly lame prior to us buying him. any ides where i stand ???
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because it was a freind of a freind i didnt get a recipt or a vetting. In the vid its a very very slight limp. it was the vet who noticed it not us, as i showed the vet when she came out the vid. she said that a inexperienced person wouldnt notice. but she noticed how his gait changed slightly. The owner did state that he was unbroken, and when i asked if he ever had any lameness, colic etc she said No he never has and has never needed the vet.
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So...you noticed the limp when you viewed and gave him some time off then got the vet out... The vet who spotted the limp that you didn't...

I'm confused... Is this a second limp? :confused:
 
The vet noticed a slight limp from the video she was shown,of the viewing, the buyer didn't at that time but did notice it when they got pony home, what's the problem with that??
 
OK, troll or not, here is what I think

The seller sold you a lame pony, the video proves that. The seller did not sell you a pony stuffed full of bute to disguise lameness. You bought what you saw, which was a lame pony. Unless you have an advert saying the pony was sound I dont see where you can take this, unless the seller is a dealer perhaps.

Buying a pony without a vetting is always a risk. Did you take someone experienced with you, I am assuming not.

The pony is now your responsibility, unfortunately that probably means some large vets bills to discover and hopefully fix the problem.

I hope there is something that can be done for the poor pony.

Good luck
 
Don't worry lady dragon I will ask a site for advice that can give sensible answers, obviously some ppl on here think you have knowledge installed from birth. Just remember mill reef everyone was a beginner once even you. And everyone makes mistakes okay. I will go elsewhere where I can get knowledgeable answers instead of stupidity. Thank u pearl and lady dragon for attempting to help me
 
I think what people are getting alarmed at is not only did you buy a lame horse, your a beginner and you bought an unbroken pony for your child! Not only that you let your child get on an ubacked pony! Do you not like your child!
 
FallenAngel41 said:
Don't worry lady dragon I will ask a site for advice that can give sensible answers, obviously some ppl on here think you have knowledge installed from birth. Just remember mill reef everyone was a beginner once even you. And everyone makes mistakes okay. I will go elsewhere where I can get knowledgeable answers instead of stupidity. Thank u pearl and lady dragon for attempting to help me
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People would have had a lot more respect if you had posted BEFORE you bought a pony, not when its too late and its gone wrong.

Try another forum, they might word the answers in a nicer way but the message will be the same.

If you cant shift the pony back to the seller you are going to have to deal with it, and that isn't easy for experienced owners.

Honestly I think most people feel more sorry for the pony, and of course your child. Just think yourself lucky he was not hurt, he could have been, and badly at that.
 
FallenAngel41 said:
Don't worry lady dragon I will ask a site for advice that can give sensible answers, obviously some ppl on here think you have knowledge installed from birth. Just remember mill reef everyone was a beginner once even you. And everyone makes mistakes okay. I will go elsewhere where I can get knowledgeable answers instead of stupidity. Thank u pearl and lady dragon for attempting to help me
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Well...on the basis you might really be in a pickle, hopefully you'll pop back on so here's my two penneth for what it's worth... :)

The vet thought the viewing limp was so small an inexperienced person wouldn't see it...
The limp was enough for you to see it later on in the day - that would suggest it had worsened slightly - maybe travelling...
The pony is unbroken so quite possibly has been spending more time out in the field than a broken one - ie, not being brought in to brush/tack up/ride etc... Just by nature of broken and riding vs unbroken... That would suggest the seller might not have noticed a tiny amount of lameness and the sale could have been in perfectly good faith on the owner's part... Even though, the pony *was* lame at time of sale...
You viewed and watched the pony and agreed to buy him so if it was "from the field" or "as seen" I think the onus is more likely to have been on yourself to have an experienced person with you or have had a vetting done before parting with cold, hard, cash...

I'd obviously ask the seller if you can refund the pony if that's what you would prefer to do - but you might not get too far if it came to a legal fight... Arguably the pony is "not fit for purpose" as a ridden horse but he wasn't riding when you got him and it'll all get a bit "he said/she said"...

I think letting your youngster sit on an unbroken pony is going to worry the hell out of people - the wording might be blunt but the message is still the same - it wasn't the best choice to make with an unfamiliar animal... Ditto buying an unbroken pony for a child's ride - it just kinda isn't what most people would do I guess...

If you get a diagnosis for the pony then post about that and people will no doubt have had similar experiences and advice on management... Fingers crossed he can heal and he'll be a good friend for your lad... Be sure to get professional advice asap regarding basic handling etc to prep the way ready for breaking...
 
ok i think ive explained it wrong and ppl are getting confused.
I viewed a pony a week before purchase. The previous owner showed me him, picked up his feet etc, explained how he was unbroken but happy to have saddle n bridle on etc. she then got on him n walked round on him herself. She then asked if my 14 yr old son would like a walk round on him (being lead reined), which he was happy about.
bearing in mind we had already arranged for professionally broken, plus we also have at yard a private riding instructor, plsu another lady who breaks in her horses, who was more than happy to carry on the work wit my son and his pony after professional breaking had been done.
we then arranged for sale a week after.
We got him early morning on the saturday. settled him in, wormed him, etc, spent the day with him.
on the sunday we arrived and our yard owners daughter said to us, did u know he was limping in the field last night when i came down, to which we obviously didnt realise. So we put it down to strain and gave him couple of days rest. After no improvement we called in vet. she explained it was his shoulder, and that she had so much muscle loss there was on way he lost so much in the few days we had him. it was quite extreme. he is now on anti imflammatories n pain killer for 1 wk, and if no better xrays etc. I then showed the vet the video of him on day of viewing and the vet noticed the limp and change of gait in his walk, and slight helicopter on his riight leg and stated its not that noticeable to a beginner.
We might not have had the pony that long but he is such an adorable natured welsh D, we dont want to part with him.
On the day of viewing i asked specifically has he ever had to have a vet out, and if so what for?, has he ever had sweet itch, colic or ever been lame. her answer was "Defnately Not and has never had vet out apart from his castration.
hope this explains it better...
 
Yes that explains better. I'm afraid only time will tell on the lameness issue, whether it will resolve quickly or not.
I don't think you have a leg to stand on with regards to returning the pony.

I do agree with others, an unbacked youngster for beginners is madness, regardless of his nature.
Welsh section D's are not known for being beginner horses, they are highly opinionated at times, difficult and can be extremely forward.
I have one myself, she's my pride and joy, as lovable as they come, but in the hands of a beginner, she'd rapidly become a lunatic.

My advice is sell to someone experienced if you can't return him, and find your son a been there and done it type of pony, an experienced one.
Beginner child and beginner horse is asking for trouble.
I got chucked off my horse, leg broken in 9 places and almost lost my foot, a split second and the damage was horrific, it happens, horse riding is a risky sport, one that as a parent you must minimise the risk.

I'm gonna be even blunter, if the so called experienced folk around you thought buying a section D youngster for a beginner rider was a good idea then I'm afraid they are far from knowledgeable with horses, only a muppet would approve :(
 
FallenAngel41 said:
Don't worry lady dragon I will ask a site for advice that can give sensible answers, obviously some ppl on here think you have knowledge installed from birth. Just remember mill reef everyone was a beginner once even you.
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I have no problem with people asking advice and I still do it myself - I have issues with troll posts.
FallenAngel41 said:
And everyone makes mistakes okay. I will go elsewhere where I can get knowledgeable answers instead of stupidity. Thank u pearl and lady dragon for attempting to help me
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I wish you every success on your new forum. I hope you get good advice there.

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ok i think ive explained it wrong and ppl are getting confused.
I viewed a pony a week before purchase. The previous owner showed me him, picked up his feet etc, explained how he was unbroken but happy to have saddle n bridle on etc. she then got on him n walked round on him herself. She then asked if my 14 yr old son would like a walk round on him (being lead reined), which he was happy about.
If the pony is happy to have a saddle and bridle on it and be ridden then it's NOT unbroken!
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bearing in mind we had already arranged for professionally broken, plus we also have at yard a private riding instructor, plsu another lady who breaks in her horses, who was more than happy to carry on the work wit my son and his pony after professional breaking had been done.
we then arranged for sale a week after.
We got him early morning on the saturday. settled him in, wormed him, etc, spent the day with him.
on the sunday we arrived and our yard owners daughter said to us, did u know he was limping in the field last night when i came down, to which we obviously didnt realise. So we put it down to strain and gave him couple of days rest. After no improvement we called in vet. she explained it was his shoulder, and that she had so much muscle loss there was on way he lost so much in the few days we had him. it was quite extreme. he is now on anti imflammatories n pain killer for 1 wk, and if no better xrays etc. I then showed the vet the video of him on day of viewing and the vet noticed the limp and change of gait in his walk, and slight helicopter
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No idea what a helicopter on the leg is.
 
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