New approval system for British-bred sport horses

Well this is interesting reading but my little point was kind of ignored
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What i am confused about is the real need for this?? Are our UK horses really going sell easier under this title? Is the idea to put all British horses under one umbrella? If so why?

I just dont fully understand, Hannovarians and Oldenburgs are my breeds and i feel they already sell on this merit, is it to give Britsh warmblood and SHBGB more of a status?? Will sales of these horses really improve under this or will people still think oh thats UK bred? I think the magazine sounds a good idea and i can see the plus's, £30 membership isnt a lot of money but like i said i am already a member of 3 others and i would like to know what i would gain from joining this?

I hope this dosnt sound anti, i would just like to know the benefits of it for every breeder
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Ciss - The Young Breeders Championship sounds like a great idea, but most people at present that I know are over this age and just starting out in breeding, as they would not have afforded to fund their breeding at a young age.......
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Most the European Studbooks have been supporting their young breeders for several years, with annual competitions and championships.....this has been severely lacking in the UK...
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Sorry, perhaps I did not make it clear enough :-(, You do not have to be a breeder to take part --- or even own horses -- you have to be able to present them for grading in the correct way and assess the conformation, paces etc of horses put before you for judgement. In fact, many of the particiapnts in this year's qualifiers (especially in Germany) were kids from non-horsey urban backgrouds who had been developed in their skills by the breeders when helping around the yard etc (OTOH I don't know what HASAW rules would say about that so they would probably have to be young trainee employees or PC members in this country first).

As to it being yet another thing that the studbooks have not done when compared to European ones, that is exactly why getting the Lead Body going is so important as it is one way that the natural interia of the UK stidbooks can be overcome by people with an *active* interest in breeding.

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Why does the British Breeding part of the BEF website not include news from UK Studbooks etc, and successes of breeders to bring them more into the fore. It would not be difficult to email all the breed assocations on a monthly basis for their news and bring it all under one website?

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The BB part of the web site has so far been used for BB activities but the e-mail Newsletter (whiich you should have been receiving regularly as an SBB member so obviously you need to get in touch with Jan about that to make sure that you are on the list) does cover this sort of news -- but admittedly only to a fairly limited audience and only with a fairly limited coverage of news, as yet again, if the studbooks don't supply the information then no-one is going to have any idea about who is winning what and where :-(.

As far as The British Breeder magazine and the Lead Body web site are concerned all studbooks will be constantly reminded to provide as much info as they can as often as they can -- and I know that SHBGB will use it to promote the dates for their gradings etc -- so that should hopefully address some of your concerns. So all of you -- if you want your successes (and those of your studbook) given a higher profile -- just make sure that the Lead Body knows about it, evn just by PMing me if that is what you feel happiest doing.

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One just has to look at the British Dressage website....they are very quick to add onto their news pages those stallions that are doing well abroad for their British owners, but what about those British stallions that have done well in the UK??

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Again, they can't manufacture copy if studbooks and stallion owners don't supply it :-(.
 
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Yeah I can vouch for the fact you aint under 21!!........
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Also HG darling it takes time to find a suitable brain donor..........whaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha..............
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...............you asked for that one...........
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Well at least my brain isn't in my a......
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Well this is interesting reading but my little point was kind of ignored
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What i am confused about is the real need for this?? Are our UK horses really going sell easier under this title? Is the idea to put all British horses under one umbrella? If so why?

I just dont fully understand, Hannovarians and Oldenburgs are my breeds and i feel they already sell on this merit, is it to give Britsh warmblood and SHBGB more of a status?? Will sales of these horses really improve under this or will people still think oh thats UK bred? I think the magazine sounds a good idea and i can see the plus's, £30 membership isnt a lot of money but like i said i am already a member of 3 others and i would like to know what i would gain from joining this?

I hope this dosnt sound anti, i would just like to know the benefits of it for every breeder
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Its a very valid point sfs, and one I would like to hear the answer to as well... It doesn't sound anti at all, its just expressing concern and wanting to know the small print
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Well this is interesting reading but my little point was kind of ignored
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What i am confused about is the real need for this?? Are our UK horses really going sell easier under this title? Is the idea to put all British horses under one umbrella? If so why?

I just dont fully understand, Hannovarians and Oldenburgs are my breeds and i feel they already sell on this merit, is it to give Britsh warmblood and SHBGB more of a status?? Will sales of these horses really improve under this or will people still think oh thats UK bred? I think the magazine sounds a good idea and i can see the plus's, £30 membership isnt a lot of money but like i said i am already a member of 3 others and i would like to know what i would gain from joining this?

I hope this dosnt sound anti, i would just like to know the benefits of it for every breeder
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Sorry SFS......did not mean to ignore this, somehow it got lost in my train of thought.

I agree with what you are saying, if your horses sell on their own merit through their own breed organisations then what is the point of joining yet another organisation. Dont think it is anti at all........just being realistic.

I became a SBB just because I wanted to feel I was supporting British Breeding, as opposed to people going abroad for all their horses. Granted we have gone abroad for our breeding stock, but this is what forms the basis of "hopefully" the same quality of horses that can be found on the continent through selective breeding.

However it does sadden me when you see the likes of Brightwells piling in the horses from abroad for all their showjumping and dressage sales, its almost like saying that those horses bred in the UK, regardless of Studbook are not good enough for buyers in the UK. So I think it is on this basis that the BEF/BB are trying to "up the anti" so to speak to give us breeders more recognition.
 
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Its a very valid point sfs, and one I would like to hear the answer to as well... It doesn't sound anti at all, its just expressing concern and wanting to know the small print
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I think the H&H (incorrect) hang up on the Kitemark has led to this confusion. The Lead Body has been created as a forum for the development and official representation of ALL sectors of the British performance and sports horse breeding sector (as required by the Action Plan of the Strategy for the Horse). Given that scenario, ONE of the things that the Lead Body has identified is a possible kitemark scheme for marketing and promoting British-bred horses, but is one of only a number of projects, including regional road shows, stallion parades, encouraging closer relations with young horse producers and breeders, a news and information -based web site and magazine (The British Breeder etc) an outline of which are to be found on the Lead Body process section of the British Breeding part of the BEF web site. This will be followed in the next couple of days by an acurate :-) report of what actually happened at the meeting which will hopefully be even more informative.

BTW, sorry if the 'relatively young and fit' bit sounded a bit off putting. It was not meant to be, its just that we are trying to find younger helpers, especially evaluators and judges, and Council members to develop over time as the whole project does have to have a long-term future. BUT and it is a big but, there is scope for all sorts of help and thoughtful input, from the sort of discussions we are having here to helping organise a regional event to allowing your stallions to take part in a parade and using your stud as a training venue for other members.
 
Magic, dont want this to become a discussion on the TBF but yes the new annual year book is being put together currently. Still desperatly need contributions from owners of pure and part bred Trakehners as with no NED it is so difficult to track what Trakehners have been doing in this country. if the owner doesn't contact us, we don't know about it.
And as I said before we have a new professional web site designer working on a totally new layout, content etc at the moment which we hope to launch at the AGM.

But as a small society with few committee members its bloody hard work!

Back to the Lead Body. I totally understand how difficult it is for the BEF to be able to post new and latest news about british breeding success if no one is sending in the information to them. I think the publication of the new magazine will be very exciting if the content is provided. No idea how to get the socieites to send in the info, or how to get the owners to send it in.
 
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Its a very valid point sfs, and one I would like to hear the answer to as well... It doesn't sound anti at all, its just expressing concern and wanting to know the small print
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I think the H&H (incorrect) hang up on the Kitemark has led to this confusion. The Lead Body has been created as a forum for the development and official representation of ALL sectors of the British performance and sports horse breeding sector (as required by the Action Plan of the Strategy for the Horse). Given that scenario, ONE of the things that the Lead Body has identified is a possible kitemark scheme for marketing and promoting British-bred horses, but is one of only a number of projects, including regional road shows, stallion parades, encouraging closer relations with young horse producers and breeders, a news and information -based web site and magazine (The British Breeder etc) an outline of which are to be found on the Lead Body process section of the British Breeding part of the BEF web site. This will be followed in the next couple of days by an acurate :-) report of what actually happened at the meeting which will hopefully be even more informative.

BTW, sorry if the 'relatively young and fit' bit sounded a bit off putting. It was not meant to be, its just that we are trying to find younger helpers, especially evaluators and judges, and Council members to develop over time as the whole project does have to have a long-term future. BUT and it is a big but, there is scope for all sorts of help and thoughtful input, from the sort of discussions we are having here to helping organise a regional event to allowing your stallions to take part in a parade and using your stud as a training venue for other members.

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Ciss these are all very good and valid points, but I have to say, without you being on HHO and telling us that this is all happening, how would we have found out about all these developments on the horizon...
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Communication is a great skill that is not easy to teach, and while the Studbooks and individual Stud owners are accountable for sending in the information, the BEF/BB should equally be sharing it within the breeding community......
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I would be more than happy to host anything at my stud, albeit we only have an outdoor arena, and would put my name forward for an evaluator or judge, but I have not found anything about how you would go about doing this, other than for you to say to contact Jan........
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Even to have road shows where you had speakers from some of the major studbooks with the UK and also abroad, for breeder and riders alike to hear various views and to educate people...
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Ciss these are all very good and valid points, but I have to say, without you being on HHO and telling us that this is all happening, how would we have found out about all these developments on the horizon...
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I have to say in the Lead Body's defence that had the H&H report being anything like accurate -- instead (I feel) of almost deliberately tryng to cause conflict (Yet another grading organisation outside the studbooks??) -- and helpful it would have explained that the Lead Body is still in its very early formative stages and that anyone seeking further informantion should go to the Lead Body process section on the British Breeding web page of the BEF site at http://www.bef.co.uk/British_Breeding/Lead_Body_Process.html
or contact Jan Rogers on Janrogersequine@aol.com
but that would have been too easy, constructive and helpful for all concerned, especialy the wider British breeding industry :-(.

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Communication is a great skill that is not easy to teach, and while the Studbooks and individual Stud owners are accountable for sending in the information, the BEF/BB should equally be sharing it within the breeding community......
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To defend BEF/BB the empolyed human resources are very limited (actually only Jan) and have to be shared with some NED tasks as well as running the Futurities, the BQM , the research projects and a great deal of liaison with the disciplines etc to make sure all the projects reflect the needs of the riders (the final clients for all we produce after all) to at least some degree. This has left little time for news gathering as we have not been able to clone Jan (Twink is obviously not up to that) and the rest of us -- at every level -- are volunteers. News gathering has not therefore been a priority up to now and until the Lead Body was formed /is still is being formed there was no vessel in which to gather the news and no vehcile throug which to distribute it. Hopefully, as I have said several times, the dedicated Lead Body(not BEF) web site and the The British Breeder will address this. So start sending your copy in now -- either to me or Jan. If you don't it won't get in as we don't know what is happening unless you tell us.

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I would be more than happy to host anything at my stud, albeit we only have an outdoor arena, and would put my name forward for an evaluator or judge, but I have not found anything about how you would go about doing this, other than for you to say to contact Jan........
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As Jan is the adminsitrator at the moment that is why you have to contact her :-) so I am thanking you publicly in advance for doing that directly in the near future :-)

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Even to have road shows where you had speakers from some of the major studbooks with the UK and also abroad, for breeder and riders alike to hear various views and to educate people...
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Well, I can but hope :-)
 
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Interesting letters regarding this in this weeks H&H, anyone else read them yet?

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Sadly, exactly the sort of response H&H wanted when it wrote its ill-informed original report. All of us on this forum hopefully now know better -- but it does want to make you howl with despair (or at least it does me) at the predictability of it all :-( :-( and I can't help feeling personally very bitterly disappointed about it when I know that even the most suspicious of you have at seen at least some merit in what we (as individuals, not as studbook reps) have developed so far.

I gather that the BEF is now going to write a letter correcting the original report (wish they had done that when it first came out last week <sigh>), especially as they never asked anyone concerned with the Lead Body to comment on the letters, as they usually do when they print 'knocking' ones.

But then we are breeders and we are British so what do we know? We must be in the wrong if H&H says so :-(
 
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