New horse napping

alishaarrr

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New horse arrived a month ago - 10yo mare, done a bit of everything (eventing, hacking, hunting, etc.) and is very well educated. Generally has a very sweet disposition and has settled in very well to new environment, herd, and routine.

When I tried her before buying, she was a very easy ride. A few spooks but otherwise straightforward and responsive, on the quieter side but certainly listened to aids and knew her job.

Flew through a five-stage vetting with no issues, and the vet was quite effusive about what a nice horse she was. On arrival at my yard, has had her back done (was in fine shape, only minor adjustments), feet done, saddles fitted, teeth up to date -- all good and zero red flags there. Overall reasonably fit and ready to go. A little rigid through the ribcage and bracey, but just seems like she needs to build up her suppleness.

I was told she can be a little girthy, and she has been to varying degrees with me. I put her on a 10-day course of a gastro supplement (Peptonil) that's supposed to be effective in diagnosing ulcers, but have seen no change in symptoms. I'm very slow and intentional while tacking up, use a nice fluffy girth, reward for good behavior. From the way the girthiness is expressed, this seems like a learned behavior pattern carried over from perhaps some prior discomfort.

In the month I've had her, she had a week off after a scrape to her fetlock out in the field, so we've had about 10 rides. I'd say 7/10 of those, we've had issues with napping. She does it in both the indoor school and outdoor school. Typically worse when I first get on: doesn't want to go forward, kicks out/small bucks, sometimes small rears. Sometimes she works out of it, other times she'll do it at various points in the ride when she's asked to go from halt to walk or walk to trot. Also tends to really contort herself going to the left in trot, bulging her inside shoulder in and carries her head kinked out to the right, refuses to get into the outside rein and soften to the inside. I'm a pretty soft rider, but if I give her a good boot to the sides to tell her to get going, she'll kick out. Can sometimes be quite sluggish and hard work initially, but can really perk up and go nicely.

When she DOES put her head into her work, she moves really nicely: back comes up, stepping under well, on the bit, nice soft self-carriage. My saddle fitter observed her for quite a while and said she didn't notice a single indication of a horse in physical discomfort.

My coach rode her a few days ago and she was super well-behaved, none of the shenanigans. Coach has observed her doing this several times with me and hasn't been able to point to anything that might be the problem.

We will get out for some hacks and more jump schooling, but this seems very quick to be arena sour or bored.

I do a fair bit of natural horsemanship stuff, so we will do more consistent groundwork and work on the bond and leadership, which I hope will help.

But in the meanwhile, thoughts on what might be going on here? Something physical I've not considered? Simply trying it on with a new rider? Still not very confident in the new environment under saddle? Something I'm doing that she's not liking?
 

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I have a horse a bit like this - I think his napping is related to a poorly fitting saddle he had in his last home. I've had him in very wide saddles with appropriate padding - a Balance Horizon and a Heather Moffett Flexee. He said he was comfortable most of the time but still napped at fairly predictable times. Just because I wanted to alter the way the saddle was sitting, I got a ridiculously wide gullet plate for my Flexee - the purple one that is nearly horizontal. Since I put it in the saddle he hasn't napped. It may come back, but I wonder if he could find something uncomfortable in the previous saddles if he really looked hard for it, but with the extra width it's not there even if he looks. Not sure I'm explaining that well but it does seem to have made a difference to him so might be worth a try! My hips are getting a good workout too!
 

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Sounds like you’ve made a good start and done all the checks I would have done.

The fact the horse is going nicely for your instructor but not for you makes me think she maybe knows she can get away with a bit more with you.

My mare used to do exactly what you described (although not kicking out, just falling in/out, head way off to the side etc) which at the time was due to weakness and lack of schooling. Now however she reverts back to this as an evasion technique when she has someone other than me on. Kinda like a way of scoping the person out. If they put inside leg on, hold the outside rein, lots of lateral work etc then she stops and works nicely. If they don’t she thinks fantastic now I can just dilly dally around like a banana and not work properly.

Can you ask your instructor exactly how they are riding the horse? Are they having to help the horse stay straight?

Everything minus the kicking out screams a difference in riding style between you and your instructor to me. But the kicks, bucks, rears hint at maybe something deeper going on.
 

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You need to find a BHS qualified instructor who can not only ride the horse, but actually teach and help you to progress.
And you probably need to stop doing 'natural horsemanship' stuff either on the ground or on board.
For the record, there's nothing 'natural' or kind about giving your horse a 'good boot to the sides' - learn to use natural and artificial aids appropriately.

Sorry if this seems harsh but if you carry on like this with your current 'coach' you'll lose confidence and the horse will get worse.
 

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Thinking of someone I know who other riders rave about, I came to the conclusion that basically he is very strong and has a physical strength that horses find difficult to argue with. It’s not that he is necessarily better than other riders, he just hoicks the horse’s head in and holds a very strong contact. As Shils says, find another instructor.
 

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Saddle seems an obvious one? Can you get hold of the exact one she was in before and try that (buy it or loan etc). I know she's had one fitted but sometimes horses just don't like what we think they should like :D
 

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Not moving away from the mounting block and the mini rears when you ask for trot are indicators of saddle issues, if you ask me. Just because they've been fitted, it doesn't necessarily mean that she finds them comfortable. The reluctance to bend is also making me think that the saddle is impinging movement somehow. That would be my first check anyway. After that, it's probably a vet lameness work up. Good luck x
 

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What’s the flocking on your new saddle? If she’s used to one type (wool/latex/cellular foam etc), then a new type may not feel great for her, even though the saddle “fits”.

secondly, how did her previous owner ride her? Strong/forceful contact? Strong legs?

she may just need some time to adjust to a new rider.

You can get her used to your cues by working on the ground in long lines or lunge lines.
 

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Def could be saddle issues. And agree with above that just because a saddler says it fits does not necessarily mean the horse finds it acceptable. You perhaps need to try a different saddler.
I also agree that some riders are so strong and confident that they give the horse no option but to tow the line. When a softer person gets on, it opens doors for them to express their discomfort.
 
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