ycbm
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You sold that horse to Catembi? Based on your photo of a horse practically standing on his nose in trot, he's so weak, unmuscled and on his forehand, I wouldn't be shouting about that if I were you.
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You sold that horse to Catembi? Based on your photo of a horse practically standing on his nose in trot, he's so weak, unmuscled and on his forehand, I wouldn't be shouting about that if I were you.
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ycbm, perhaps the horse thrived elsewhere, its been quite documented about changes on moving.
At the end of all this, the horse seems happy and cared for in his current home.
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DabDab
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Fairly certain the new posters are talking about two different horses. The first one bought a horse (Bay gelding) that used to belong to C and theirs seems to be a fairly innocent update. The second new poster seems to have sold a horse (chestnut gelding) to C and is implying that the horse was not affected by pssm but that C was incompetent
Bernster
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Well this thread took a nasty turn ?. What a shame #be kind.
Tiddlypom
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Definitely two different horses, one bay TB, one chestnut ISH, with different names, both of which the OP has mentioned on HHO as owning them in the recent past.
I wouldn't be bragging about selling a weak, skinny, poorly muscled horse as per the pics the second poster was proud to display.
I wouldn't be bragging about selling a weak, skinny, poorly muscled horse as per the pics the second poster was proud to display.
Dexter
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If the chestnut was mine I would have been questioning type 2 from the off. The lack of muscle tone can be a red flag. Plus as I mentioned earlier, PSSM often doesnt show until later, or in the early years is passed off as being a young horse who needs more time etc.
PinkvSantaboots
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She said some quite nasty things early on in the thread if you go back
ycbm
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Different horse, I am supporting Catembi against a nasty accusation by the seller that she managed a horse she bought from them wrongly. Like Dexter, if someone wanted me to show them a picture of a horse which might have PSSM, the picture the poster put up is a pretty good example.
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NR88
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Catembi have you ever had your soil, grass, hay and water analysed as well as run full blood work for the horses?
On the surface it appears more than bad luck that you've had such a run of horses displaying symptoms and that they all have had/developed PSSM.
Having first hand experience of a horse who developed a selenium deficiency (note: I am not advising anyone to supplement selenium) the symptoms could have been mistaken as PSSM based on Internet diagnoses and "experts". I also have first had experience of a PSSM horse and second hand experience of many more.
If this bay horse is truly healthy now and the chestnut had no symptoms when you tried and vetted him/her (I don't know the age in the photos but not being completely developed muscles at a young age would not have me assuming pssm), also presuming none of the others had any symptoms or you wouldn't have bought them especially after the first few, then perhaps there is a link to something that has been missed?
I am not posting to be cruel, but out of concern. Perhaps there is a way to fix your current horses if an issue can be identified and rectified. It is strange to have had so many horses one after the other develop PSSM / PSSM like symptoms once you've had them at home for a while. I don't recall any of your horses being immediately unwell as you've been riding and competing when it's struck if I remember correctly.
That comment is not a dig at you, clearly something is happening to change their health. If that something could be identified perhaps that could break the cycle so that you can enjoy ownership and riding again. Perhaps the bay's new owner could let you know what area she is in as there is a soil map of the UK. There might be an obvious difference as a start point and something simple could turn things around.
Apologies if I have spoken out of turn. Please know it is coming from a place of concern that wants to see you happy with a horse and able to show jump again.
LaceyThornhill
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I am the recent owner of Lambcote Leroy aka Barney. He has great health and nothing wrong with him. I haven’t had him very long, around 2 month. We have compete, hunting and doing arena hires at the end of the month. He really is a lovely lad.
DabDab
Ah mud, splendid
So that's three new owners he's had this year then?
ycbm
Einstein would be proud of my Insanity...
I hope he works out well for you but you do know now that he carries genes which are shared by a great number of horses which have PSSM 2. Do arm yourself with the symptoms of PSSM to watch out for. Lack of muscle would be the symptom which I would be most immediately concerned about.
Best of luck with him.
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ycbm
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The lovely boy
So why did you sell him days after joining the forum to announce how thrilled you were with him Elliecodd?
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Floofball
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Only just seen this thread. I hope that Leroy is well, happy and healthy - but it just makes me sad that a horse sold as a companion seems to be very publicly being passed from pillar to post. Wonder what happened to the Badminton Grass Roots plans ?
catembi
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The new new owner contacted me on FB messenger to ask about him because I am on his passport. I told her the history that I know, including what to watch out for ?
I honestly did think that the companion home was a home for life. She had always wanted a companion to have many years with and grow old with etc etc. The new new owner was unaware of the PSSM px/px. *sighs* I honestly did my best for the horse ?
I honestly did think that the companion home was a home for life. She had always wanted a companion to have many years with and grow old with etc etc. The new new owner was unaware of the PSSM px/px. *sighs* I honestly did my best for the horse ?
ILuvCowparsely
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FlyingCircus
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There are definate perks of some people using their real names to post...Know who not to buy from in the future, due to not being upfront about history...!!
LaceyThornhill
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Didn’t mean to cause so much chaos. He is riding away happily and not seen no issues but until I see anything that causes alert he will continue in work and outings. Also Ellie was an amazing owner towards him but sometimes life gets in the way. I’m still in contact with her and she comes to see him regular.
nutjob
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Did the horse have an injury while she owned him?
BBP
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Not specifically to do with this horse but the PSSM PX things drives me nuts. As far as I can tell (and I am prepared to be told I am completely out of date), Px is linked to RER and has absolutely zero to do with PSSM other than that they are both muscle myopathies. I wish the folks that test for this stuff (I mean the labs, not the owners) would quit lumping them together. RER is an issue with calcium regulation and has nothing to do with polysaccharide storage. The management is not necessarily the same. My experience with mine (diagnosed with RER by biopsy not by genetic test) is that he is not exercise intolerant, he is stress intolerant. If he gets stressed when being exercised it can trigger his symptoms, but they can also be triggered by stress when turned out, or if in pain from something else like colic.
LaceyThornhill
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He had an injury field that causes him no problems at all and wouldn’t be able to tell it even happened.
PinkvSantaboots
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The new new owner contacted me on FB messenger to ask about him because I am on his passport. I told her the history that I know, including what to watch out for ?
I honestly did think that the companion home was a home for life. She had always wanted a companion to have many years with and grow old with etc etc. The new new owner was unaware of the PSSM px/px. *sighs* I honestly did my best for the horse ?
It's not your fault you did your best for him and you can only go by what people tell you and you can't stop people from selling on.
I hope the new owner keeps him.
PinkvSantaboots
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What symptoms does your horse get when his stressed please?
ycbm
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That's interesting BBP. So Px genes is for RER tying up, and although PSSM horses can also tie up it's not related to PSSM?
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LaceyThornhill
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He will be staying with me.
ycbm
Einstein would be proud of my Insanity...
The only people at fault here are the person you sold him to and, if it's true, EllieCodd for selling on the horse without declaring it had been gene tested for a serious muscle myopathy.
I really feel for you C, it must be awful seeing a horse you introduced to the forum with such excitement, then rehomed in good faith after what must have been bitter disappointment, keep coming back up on this thread.
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cauda equina
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That's nice to hear Lacey, he looks a kind soul
LaceyThornhill
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Ellie had no reason to believe he suffered with PSSM. Neither do I, he is in good health. Also I only commented as I thought it would be nice for her to know how’s he doing.
ycbm
Einstein would be proud of my Insanity...
Ellie had been told he carried the genes for PSSM. In fact he carries the genes for RER, another nasty disease. I hope for both your sakes he remains asymptomatic.
I thought you said she was visiting to see him, I don't understand your comment about posting here because it would be nice for her to know how he was doing.
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LaceyThornhill
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He really is.
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