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There are a lot of lines on those feet that could not be attributed to removing shoes or worming. Seeing them so close together at the heel is a classic laminitis symptom. Mine is also retired, but he still goes on ground which stimulates growth and there’s no reason why the owner can’t take him/her for non ridden exercise, rather than have those feet spend their life on soft pasture which isn’t much good for them. There should not be any event lines at all and I’d be very worried at all those and the general condition of the feet.
If you had read anything I’ve written, you’d know that I have done hours of in hand walking with her in and out of boots. If you read above, you’d also see images of an overreach injury which caused an event line. In an ideal world, she wouldn’t have done that, or had cellulitis but sadly I can’t control those things (wish I could!).
 

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There are a lot of lines on those feet that could not be attributed to removing shoes or worming. Seeing them so close together at the heel is a classic laminitis symptom. Mine is also retired, but he still goes on ground which stimulates growth and there’s no reason why the owner can’t take him/her for non ridden exercise, rather than have those feet spend their life on soft pasture which isn’t much good for them. There should not be any event lines at all and I’d be very worried at all those and the general condition of the feet.
Your wrong sorry read the reply from the owner before you start jumping on people
 

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Its a shame to turn this post so negative . The OP has done a brilliant job and i hope this wont put them off showing us the further results once that last bit has grown out. Well done for getting this horse comfortable
OP would be better off using UI. I think most people are interested and pleased with the progress.
 

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Its a shame to turn this post so negative . The OP has done a brilliant job and i hope this wont put them off showing us the further results once that last bit has grown out. Well done for getting this horse comfortable
Not at all! I’m super pleased and know that we’ve made great progress. The mare has had her fair share of ‘other stuff’ going on too so I’m chuffed and will continue to be guided by my trimmer who is fab.

Itching to post the final comparison but think it’ll be a few more months yet!
 

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Holy #%^#, that’s a hell of a lot of stress/diet changes for one horse to cope with. There should never be event lines, usually a sign of laminitis. And how did they get so long? Can the poor horse walk? The ideal terrain for barefoot is to keep them trimmed naturally, so I’d guess that with the length and the event lines, he/she has been on completely the wrong pasture for a whole year 😟

If there were no event lines, your horses hooves would not be growing…. Event lines happen for lots of reasons and lami is only one. Lami event lines are also different - the angle at the heel will be different that at the toe so the event lines don’t run parallel around the hoof but divert and widen. These event lines are all parallel so just show changes in management and diet. OP’s horses hooves look similar to how my mares feet look after her first year barefoot, with that last bit of “old hoof” capsule growing out and the lovely new angle coming through.

@Skips11 well done, you are definitely heading in the right direction! We did similar with our mare who had been in wedges for three years after a tendon injury. Farrier literally just files them every five weeks - her feet look amazing now and she is sound and hacking in boots happily. Had we taken the toe out she would have been crippled. She’s successfully grown what she needs and we’ve not had any soreness or lameness since pulling shoes. For a pony with a neg HPA and no heels, she now has a lovely set of hooves that have grown out and improved beyond our expectations.
 

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I’ve no idea who Bellalily is but she’s certainly far more knowledgeable than anyone else in this forum judging by her replies on every thread she has chosen to dispense her wisdom.
Im waiting on her thoughts on individual turnout. (Joking, not meaning to make the thread all about her).
I’ve been told for years by several barefoot trimmers that there shouldn’t be event lines. It’s not my own opinion in the slightest, it’s what I’ve been told by people far more knowledgeable than me.
 

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I’ve been told for years by several barefoot trimmers that there shouldn’t be event lines. It’s not my own opinion in the slightest, it’s what I’ve been told by people far more knowledgeable than me.

In an ideal world there wouldn't be. Very few people live in an ideal world. Parallel shallow event lines in hooves with no problems are very common in the UK
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I’ve been told for years by several barefoot trimmers that there shouldn’t be event lines. It’s not my own opinion in the slightest, it’s what I’ve been told by people far more knowledgeable than me.
If you've kept the horse in the same management style for years and suddenly severe event lines show up, then that would be a concern. But any change in feed, grazing, and some medication too, may trigger event lines. They're not ideal but as long as you know what triggered them, they're not necessarily something to worry about.
 

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I’ve been told for years by several barefoot trimmers that there shouldn’t be event lines. It’s not my own opinion in the slightest, it’s what I’ve been told by people far more knowledgeable than me.
This doesn't accord with reality though, unless you never give your horse any drugs of any sort, keep them in a grass-free area with exactly the same forage all the time, never move them to a new region, etc. They're called event lines not laminitis lines for a reason - they reflect many types of change in a horse's circumstances.
 

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This doesn't accord with reality though, unless you never give your horse any drugs of any sort, keep them in a grass-free area with exactly the same forage all the time, never move them to a new region, etc. They're called event lines not laminitis lines for a reason - they reflect many types of change in a horse's circumstances.
Yes I appreciate that’s what they are called, for exactly that reason. They are, nevertheless, a strong indicator of either a stressy time or an imbalance, especially if they continue down the hoof. Imbalance of diet that is, not hoof. This is the information I have been given over the years.
 

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I’ve no idea who Bellalily is but she’s certainly far more knowledgeable than anyone else in this forum judging by her replies on every thread she has chosen to dispense her wisdom.
Im waiting on her thoughts on individual turnout. (Joking, not meaning to make the thread all about her).
Oh right, really. Just about every issue/problem I have posted about over the years always gets replies that say exactly what either I’ve already tried or I can’t afford. I don’t reply with a silly remark, or a roll eyes or anything, I look for one helpful comment. My post regarding the search for an inexpensive slow feeder hay net is a fine example. I gave up in the end as all I was getting was really expensive suggestions. If I’ve been told several times over the last 18 years one thing, by several people who are qualified and very experienced in their field, I tend to believe them. 🙄
 

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Oh right, really. Just about every issue/problem I have posted about over the years always gets replies that say exactly what either I’ve already tried or I can’t afford. I don’t reply with a silly remark, or a roll eyes or anything, I look for one helpful comment. My post regarding the search for an inexpensive slow feeder hay net is a fine example. I gave up in the end as all I was getting was really expensive suggestions. If I’ve been told several times over the last 18 years one thing, by several people who are qualified and very experienced in their field, I tend to believe them. 🙄
Well here's something else several perfectly qualified forum members have told you..READ THE WHOLE THREAD.
It's no good you keeping banging on about event lines. In an ideal world no horse would have illnesses or injuries, there'd be no seasonal changes or changes of pasture...but this ISN'T an ideal world and those things just DO happen. Horses hooves are often the absolute first indicator of these changes, that's just a fact. If you actually bother to follow the whole thread from the beginning you might see why your interventions are irrelevant at best.

ETA: Re your other posts. If you don't get the answer you want it doesn't mean everyone that's trying to help is wrong. It more likely means that the answer you are after doesn't exist - like cheap slow hay feeders. And that eye roll at the end of your quote above - can we assume it's a slip of the keyboard??
I don’t reply with a silly remark, or a roll eyes or anything,
 

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Yes I appreciate that’s what they are called, for exactly that reason. They are, nevertheless, a strong indicator of either a stressy time or an imbalance, especially if they continue down the hoof. Imbalance of diet that is, not hoof. This is the information I have been given over the years.
Quite often they are just an indicator of *change*. Are you going to deny a horse antibiotics it needs just to avoid its hooves having an unsightly mark on them? I presume not.
 

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Yes I appreciate that’s what they are called, for exactly that reason. They are, nevertheless, a strong indicator of either a stressy time or an imbalance, especially if they continue down the hoof. Imbalance of diet that is, not hoof. This is the information I have been given over the years.
I agree that they often are a result of stress or change, but the point is that certain types of stress or change cannot be helped. Completely unrelated things can happen (in this case chronic cellulitis, or a physical disruption of the coronet band). This doesn’t mean the hoofcare is wrong or the horse’s diet/environment is wrong. Sometimes drugs have to be given, or the horse requires a stay in hospital. I think we’d all like those things not to happen if we had any say over it!
 

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Yes I appreciate that’s what they are called, for exactly that reason. They are, nevertheless, a strong indicator of either a stressy time or an imbalance, especially if they continue down the hoof. Imbalance of diet that is, not hoof. This is the information I have been given over the years.

You appear not to have been told that British weather causes pulses in grass growth that will also produce these lines and that they are pretty irrelevant unless they are also accompanied by raised digital pulses.
 
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