NH Rope halter... help please - Not Controversial!!!

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I had ordered a rope halter and training line (see other thread) in preparation for my session with Respectful HMship man on Sunday only to find my order has been taken off the system. Does anyone know where I can get one before Sunday? Next day delivery or pick up in Surrey/Hampshire?
 
A rope halter isn't magic. All it will do is apply untold poll pressure. If your man is good then he will load her using a flat headcollar. No tricks. All ours were taught to load at liberty in an open ended trailer and we never had a problem.

Try opening both ends of the trailer and load an easy horse, taking him straight through a few times and then see if yours will follow. Don't stop at first but do dictate the pace until he walks through calmly. Progress to a coupole of seconds halt with a treat or a scratch and lots of praise. Build it up from there and you will build confidence at the same time.

A rope halter is just another way of reducing his options by causing pain or 'discomfort' as it will doubtless be termed. It will go no further to rebuilding trust than a yard broom shoved up his backside.
 
Ladyinred is talking absolute rubbish yet again. Any peice of equipment wrongly used can cause problems.

It's true though that you can manage without a rope headcollar.
 
I got mine from this seller at Ebay- lisa_equi-knots

It was delivered really quickly- I'm sure if you messaged her she could send it next day delivery. It was great quality too- I'm pleased with it.

Good luck!
 
At the moment, I cannot manage with a normal head collar until I have been taught to dis-engage his hindquarters. I am being dragged and as I like my horses mouth to remain soft I would rather not use a bridle for now. So any ideas on the rope halter without getting too contraversial?
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I've got a lisa_equi-knots one too. Buy it now and there are plenty of size options available.

FWIW, I prefer to use a rope halter as some that I lead in will insist that they're starving and go to grab grass. With the halter, I'm in control. With a flat headcollar, they're in control.
 
Winklepoker said:
I had ordered a rope halter and training line (see other thread) in preparation for my session with Respectful HMship man on Sunday only to find my order has been taken off the system. Does anyone know where I can get one before Sunday? Next day delivery or pick up in Surrey/Hampshire?
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Sorry I can't help re where to get what you're looking for, but if all else fails, perhaps your RH man can lend you what you need just for the day? Or he may know of a local source ...
 
Indeed, at the moment I do not have total control in his padded flat headcollar and it is infuriating. I have watched people in the past get dragged and barged by their horses and I have thought to myself how stupid to allow that behaviour... I am now that person! I will not tolerate bad manners but I am now the owner of a different kettle of fish in terms of temperament, he is thick skinned and slow to react and on a whole very very lovely. But when he gets aggitated or I ask something he is unsure of his instinct tells him to run/barge/headbutt with total disrespect/confusion, I need the halter for reassurance and leadership rather than to give him a good 'sorting out' He is by no means naughty - I am just a dot compared to his strength, so control is a must.
 
Winklepoker said:
Indeed, at the moment I do not have total control in his padded flat headcollar and it is infuriating. I have watched people in the past get dragged and barged by their horses and I have thought to myself how stupid to allow that behaviour... I am now that person! I will not tolerate bad manners but I am now the owner of a different kettle of fish in terms of temperament, he is thick skinned and slow to react and on a whole very very lovely. But when he gets aggitated or I ask something he is unsure of his instinct tells him to run/barge/headbutt with total disrespect/confusion, I need the halter for reassurance and leadership rather than to give him a good 'sorting out' He is by no means naughty - I am just a dot compared to his strength, so control is a must.
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I agree - normal headcollars are too easy for a horse to pull against, and if you get into a tug of war, guess who's going to win! I hope your guy is able to help you on Sunday, please let us know how it goes. Btw I've never heard the term 'Respectful Horsemanship' before, any idea where that originates from?
 
Yes, they practice using techniques based on Clinton Anderson so Down Under Horsemanship, not sure what the difference is. I stumbled on it by chance as Phil is my EDT, who is magic with every horse I have ever seen him do, we got chatting about my problems with fly spray and he had cured my boys fear in under 10 mins. Last night I even sprayed his face, not tied up (with water might I add!) but last week, I couldnt get near him with it. So I think if anyone can solve our loading issues it is this guy. :)
 
Winklepoker said:
Indeed, at the moment I do not have total control in his padded flat headcollar and it is infuriating. I have watched people in the past get dragged and barged by their horses and I have thought to myself how stupid to allow that behaviour... I am now that person! I will not tolerate bad manners but I am now the owner of a different kettle of fish in terms of temperament, he is thick skinned and slow to react and on a whole very very lovely. But when he gets aggitated or I ask something he is unsure of his instinct tells him to run/barge/headbutt with total disrespect/confusion, I need the halter for reassurance and leadership rather than to give him a good 'sorting out' He is by no means naughty - I am just a dot compared to his strength, so control is a must.
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Ha ha!! I was that person being dragged about!!! I love the way you put that and know how much you hate all the unmannerly behaviour. Good luck with sorting it, I will be very interested to see how this all works, it will be a great learning curve and I applaud your attitude xx
 
Ladyinred said:
A rope halter isn't magic. All it will do is apply untold poll pressure. If your man is good then he will load her using a flat headcollar. No tricks. All ours were taught to load at liberty in an open ended trailer and we never had a problem.
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Biggest load of bull I have ever heard!

Rope halters are my everyday kit, they don't put 'untold pressure' on the horse.

I like all my horses to give into pressure, and all of them can have leads dangling and get muddled up and not panic. If they are taught to move away from pressure you are going to save their life if they get tangled up in fences or anything else.

Its not about using "untold" pressure or breaking your horses spirit or anything else the more fluffy community refer to

I use hobbles on my horses - not because I am monster, but because I prefer them not to freak out about such things and become seriously calm laid back horses.
 
AndySpooner said:
Ladyinred is talking absolute rubbish yet again. Any peice of equipment wrongly used can cause problems.

It's true though that you can manage without a rope headcollar.
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And you are an extremely rude and unpleasant man. If I am talking rubbisdh then possibly you would like links to the vidoes of teaching mine to load.

Oh, and piece is ie not ei.
 
Ladyinred - I believe the OP wanted advice on sourcing a halter. Please take your debate elsewhere you are not helping!

W.Poker - do let us know how you get on (and take some pics! :D )
 
Winklepoker said:
Yes, they practice using techniques based on Clinton Anderson so Down Under Horsemanship, not sure what the difference is. I stumbled on it by chance as Phil is my EDT, who is magic with every horse I have ever seen him do, we got chatting about my problems with fly spray and he had cured my boys fear in under 10 mins. Last night I even sprayed his face, not tied up (with water might I add!) but last week, I couldnt get near him with it. So I think if anyone can solve our loading issues it is this guy. :)
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Clinton Anderson is fantastic! I use his techniques on both my horses. The techniques are very similar to parelli (as i believe he trained with Pat Parelli - correct me if i am wrong!) i find he aims more to getting the horse to respect you where as parelli, after getting the respect from the horse, moves onto what i see as 'tricks' (which is where i think some people get the feeling of it being a circus act!)
 
Ladyinred said:
And you are an extremely rude and unpleasant man. If I am talking rubbisdh then possibly you would like links to the vidoes of teaching mine to load.

Oh, and piece is ie not ei.
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Just for the record, and not wanting to be controversial, I would like to thank Ladyinred for the spelling lesson. There is only one 'o' in couple and no 'd' in rubbish, by the way.

If you think I am rude and unpleasant you really need to get out more.

The original OP asked a simple question, but you decided to use this as a chance to have a sly dig at the thousands of people who use a rope head collar without the need to cause any pain or discomfort to their horses.

Thanks for the offer of seeing your horses load, but loading horses is not an issue for me, so I'll decline, thanks all the same.
 
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