Nicolas Touzaint

i have no problem with him as a person at all...but i just cringed as in a lot of ways i think "omg what could happen" ie- the reins become tangled at full gallop...... i personally have never seen anyone else do it at all.

I am not saying he didnt derserve to win at all all credit to him
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I have watched him in France riding, and he is totally self obsessed and very rough.......if I took his Badminton round at face value then I might not feel so strongly, but that horse and the grey one ( Galan) beforehand are really special.....he pretty much has the connections to ensure he gets the best horses in France to ride. And they, like many top class horses, disguise his failings.
 
This thread has got to take the prize for the stupidest and most sensible comments all mixed up into one... Can't believe some of what I've been reading.

Gonetofrance, not trying to be nosey or anything but how well do you know NT.... ?
 
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Most definitely not as well as the girl he was puckered up to on the TV........
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I've watched him ride a lot here, and I'm no fan.
 
Surely after 3 days of effort, the horse didn't really need to gallop around the arena several times? As was proven during the x country, tired horses make mistakes and are less sure footed. He may have been excited, but what exactly was he trying to prove?
 
The horse was running on because of the crowd cheering, had he hung onto the reins it would have probably started to leap about.

Each to their own and it was nice to see some emotions on display for once. Gives people and understanding of just what a big deal it is.
 
right, in what way can my comments be taken as 'sour grapes'? he didn't beat me, for goodness' sake! i take nothing away from his achievement, but i do not like the way he celebrates, simple.
perhaps i have false memory syndrome, i don't have it video'd to check, but i thought he dropped both reins completely after the last fence and let the horse just hooley round the arena at gallop. just because it was enjoying it doesn't mean it's safe... or advisable. tired horses (and after that xc, the horse would have been tired, however well he looked) injure themselves more easily.
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"What is the difference between him dropping his reins after finishing and the likes of Mary King and WFP riding around the XC with washing lines. If WFP had had a proper contact at the house complex, Tamarillo wouldn't have run out. But no one berates him for it."
yes, but it was accidental, very obviously! he screwed up for a second, and naughty Tam took advantage. what on earth would be the point of berating him for it? shall i berate Mary for having a second's moment of over-excitement and getting a tiny bit forward (so unlike her) and hitting the deck? or Daisy for taking on the fence into the water too fast on the angle and landing without control? they know what they did and will be kicking themselves for it for a long time. a lot of top riders made mistakes this weekend, but listing them is pointless. the difference is that NT doesn't think there's anything wrong with the way he celebrates, i guess, because he does it repeatedly.
you cannot compare WFP or Mary slipping their reins xc with someone deliberately dropping their reins to celebrate. slipped reins do not mean no contact, unless you've got flustered and don't remember to take elbows right back to take up the slack (erm, WFP at the houses after being flustered by missing so badly at the first house, anyone!?)
i didn't mind NT crying (maybe i've lived in Britain too long because i thought it was a bit undignified, but that's all!), but i will continue to DETEST the way he chooses to celebrate. it can injure horses, and it sets an absolutely terrible example.
 
I have to agree it was not a clever thing he did but also I remember Pippa Funnell doing it some years ago after a big win & the slipped going round a corner so fast it nearly went flat out on it's side. Strangley nothing was said bar that she was very happy to win & so she should of been!?
 
k9h, you're right, i'd forgotten that one. at least i haven't seen her do it again since, though!
i suppose i always have at the back of my mind Lucinda Prior-Palmer (as she was then) winning Badminton and the horse dropping dead on the lap of honour...
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I didn't watch Badminton, and I haven't been able to find a complete video of the lap.

What I can see is a rider who drops his reins in sheer joy, and a horse who pins it's ears back at the roar from the grandstand and is then egged on by the cheers.

But what does stand out is the attitudes of people on this forum who think they're whiter than white. I presume NO ONE who slated JT has EVER had less than perfect contact? I know I've galloped around with lose reins or having dropped them entirely.

If it's NT's little thing, then I'm pretty sure his horses are used to it. That, and I thought a good rider was caperble of controlling without needing reins at all. Smacks of sour grapes, I'm afraid.
 
can you not see the difference between having "less than perfect contact" and deliberately dropping both reins to celebrate?
to me there's an absolute world of difference.
and it isn't sour grapes, i assure you. as i said, i take nothing away from his achievement. i wasn't particularly rooting for anyone else, he did the best performances over 3 days, and won fair and square. i do not understand the 'sour grapes' accusation at all.
 
It is nothing to do with sour grapes, how can it be? I have nothing against him, I'm commenting on what I see.
I really do not like the way he rides, period. I really do like his horses.
There is another top rider who I loathe as a person, but I would never denigrate that person's awesome riding ability.

I'm just going to agree to disagree with all you who rate him so highly........
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god some people are really thick. Just because we dont agree with what NT did doesnt just mean it "smacks of sour grapes". Your talking to some people in this conversation who HAVE competed at 4* level (not me lol) so don't you dare judge them and say they don't know anything and its just sour grapes just because you fancy the flippin frenchman. What he did had NO excuse what so ever. He has SEVERELY injured his last horse by doing the same thing and should have learnt from that!!!!! I think some people need to take the rose tinted spectacles off here - not everyone you see eventing on tv is perfect - they're not film stars for god sake and if they do something wrong then it will be pointed out.

Oh and i also pointed out that william rode those houses badly and he's gonna be my boss so i should be rooting for him by some of your expectations but he acknowledged his mistake and admitted it! As did Mary. Daisy rode far too fast into the lake and payed the price - she won't do that again. Andrew Hoy took off far too early for the brush and paid his price too.

so don't be so blumin narrow minded and assume we're just slating him because hes french.
 
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It is nothing to do with sour grapes, how can it be? I have nothing against him, I'm commenting on what I see.
I really do not like the way he rides, period. I really do like his horses.
There is another top rider who I loathe as a person, but I would never denigrate that person's awesome riding ability.

I'm just going to agree to disagree with all you who rate him so highly........
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Ive been keeping quiet so far as Im not the most experienced rider around, but I cant any more - I totally agree with the above, and the fact that you cannot compare a genuine mistake (like MFP's and MK's) with a guy who drops his reins and goes haring round a boggy arena! I dont agree with that at all, and I wouldnt do it to my horse so why would he?
And although Im just your average riding club showjumper, I have opinions, and I don't like his riding - he was totally unbalanced throughout the showjumping - he rides to one side almost ALL the time, unbalancing the horse! Anyway thats just an observation, maybe Im wrong. But he hadnt even landed the last jump and he was half way round looking backwards at the jump to check he had cleared it, could he not have waited a few seconds (or less!) and let the horse land the jump in balance? I didnt notice this with the other riders, NZL riders etc included, so its not just that he's French or sour grapes.
 
The latest headline on H&H website shows what can happen when you're hit by a loose horse at full gallop, ridden or not.
Imagine the uproar IF this had happened the other day.
The fact that it didn't we should be grateful for.
 
OK I've spotted my error! You can't have a loose horse that is also being ridden, though you can still have a horse at full speed running into people and causing an awful lot of damage to all parties.
 
Red Vendetta, your post is spot ON what it should be. A detailed and reasoned argument as to why you do not like his riding.

I have not yet seen anyone else go further than just "I don't like his riding" and to be accused of fancying someone I didn't know existed until someone decided to be pathetically bitchy towards him? Well, that, I am afraid, is pathetically bitchy.

I was too busy drooling over Leon Haslam to care. There isn't so much bitching when it comes to bikes!
 
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god some people are really thick. Just because we dont agree with what NT did doesnt just mean it "smacks of sour grapes". Your talking to some people in this conversation who HAVE competed at 4* level (not me lol) so don't you dare judge them and say they don't know anything and its just sour grapes just because you fancy the flippin frenchman. What he did had NO excuse what so ever. He has SEVERELY injured his last horse by doing the same thing and should have learnt from that!!!!! I think some people need to take the rose tinted spectacles off here - not everyone you see eventing on tv is perfect - they're not film stars for god sake and if they do something wrong then it will be pointed out.

Oh and i also pointed out that william rode those houses badly and he's gonna be my boss so i should be rooting for him by some of your expectations but he acknowledged his mistake and admitted it! As did Mary. Daisy rode far too fast into the lake and payed the price - she won't do that again. Andrew Hoy took off far too early for the brush and paid his price too.

so don't be so blumin narrow minded and assume we're just slating him because hes french.

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Well said K. Even PF openly admitted that she had ridden that corner like a numpty and paid the price.
 
Judging from some of the remarks on the other thread, I do wonder if people even have a clue what they are watching sometimes........

At least the decent riders admit their errors, and show respect for their horses.

Country gal, if you didn't know he existed until you read this thread, how exactly does that give you a basis to pass comment on what he did, and to criticise those of us that have watched him ride?
 
Because, GonetoFrance, I am quite simply sickened and astounded by the reaction to it.

I did go and search for videos of him jumping just to try and find it. Aside from a poor jumping round, I see nothing wrong.

Absolutely amazed at the depths people will go to in order to slate someone. Accusing a man of being a bad person because he has a habit of dropping his reins upon winning?
Is there really nothing better going on in the world?

I can't deny he may have caused a horse injury doing it previously but this reaction to the man is positivly disgusting.
 
I still fail to see how it is sour grapes...It certainly isn't for me-it was not a slip up. He does it deliberately.
 
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Mags Mum, i have never ever witnessed any of those other top riders drop the reins and gallop about showing off. it is totally inconsiderate to the horse. i don't dislike him, he rides very well most of the time, but i HATE the way he does this, it sets a terrible example and really can cause injury. it shows no care of the horse at all.

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absolutely agree with this and all your other comments.
This is exactly what i think and couldnt have put it better myself.
 
i also whole heartedly agree with Gloster-image. it was a danger to the horse and those other riders didnt lose the contact deliberaltely. they will have been trying the upmost to do their best.
 
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OK I've spotted my error! You can't have a loose horse that is also being ridden, though you can still have a horse at full speed running into people and causing an awful lot of damage to all parties.

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Exactly...remember Stuart Tinney at the lake a few years ago?
 
CG, where did we say he's a bad person? Or slate him personally to the extent that you are 'sickened'?

I don't like how he rides. I've not gone into detail because that would be slating him, and you seem to applaud that from some people and find it unacceptable in others?

He's a very lucky guy, with a superb back up team and access to some fantastic horses. He's competent, inasmuch as he can make his horse do what he wants it to.
I just dislike the way he does it.
 
I find this whole thread unbelieveable.
This guy takes his horse round one of the biggest and toughest XC tracks in the world without problem yet is condemmed for endangering his horse because he lets it have a free gallop round a flat, well prepared (large) areana.

Sorry, just dont get it.
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