No silly prices

[Caol Ila]

Is that the case, though? To an extent, (or even a big extent) isn't that sort of horse also born? I mean, not the hard work that's gone into it, obviously, but the raw material that is present to work on - temperament.

Yeah, I think so, to some extent. Both my horses were pretty rank when I got them, but they were nice people. That was their innate hard wiring. Then lots of hard work went into it because even the nicest person can become fearful and anxious if the training confuses or scares them too much. The good raw materials made it easier to get it right. They want to please. Both have had moments of explosive drama, but they give a lot of warning before it gets to that stage, which means lots of opportunities to de-escalate.

They would not, however, have been someone's bombproof all-rounder. Maybe some day (maybe not). But they were around 3.5k each.

 

[Birker2020]

I don't think anyone thinks you can get a decent horse (of the type, breed, height and age that I was looking for for £3K as someone stated). I started with the expectation last year after losing Bailey that £8K would have found me a lovely horse to buy (my last horse Bailey cost me £4,860 in 2004 so I admit I was out of touch with the market), it wasn't long till I was looking at the £10K mark and then eventually increasing even more for my present horse.

 

[maya2008]

They are definitely made. The raw material can go very wrong in the wrong hands! We have two complete gems. First one is 14.2hh, weight carrier, could actually put your granny, a beginner, a nervous rider or a child on him and he’d look after them. Steps up and gives confidence at RC level, goes in a beautiful outline, sweet boy who anyone can enjoy. Sounds like he was always perfect, right? Well…not quite! He had a serious rearing habit that emerged at backing, and he panicked at everything. It took months of long-reining to get him comfortable with walking forwards without following a person/pony. Months more of hacking before he could do so calmly without losing his mind and defaulting to a rear every ten mins when he saw something scary. Same in the school - put any pressure on at all, teach him something new, and up he went. That first winter was all about building his confidence in himself and the world around him, so he no longer needed to panic. Gradually, he discovered that nothing would hurt him, that it was ok to learn new things and go to new places. By the following spring he was going to arena hire, hacking solo and coping with the world. He struggled to learn to jump (dangly legs, not the best technique in the world) and was scared of fillers. So again, with patience and without rushing him, we just kept doing it until he got it.

Second one is my daughter’s pony. Arrived feral and pregnant, hating humans. She bit and kicked, would attack you rather than run away. We spent the duration of her pregnancy slowly convincing her that we weren’t that bad - bringing food, never rushing her, letting her chill with the herd of tame ponies who love people. Then her foal was born and my daughter was fascinated. Daughter and foal played together and her mum began to see that human children weren’t so different from foals. She’d let my daughter stroke her when she’d let no one else near, and I even saw her allowing a cuddle once! She basically adopted my daughter along with her own, keeping an eye on both of them in the field (and most notably leading me into the barn one day to show me that one of the planks had fallen and my daughter has climbed through to investigate ?).

We sent her away for weaning, and to be handled while she was there. We visited every day to brush her and give her treats, then did the pre-backing work ourselves once the handling was done. She came home tolerant of adults, and when the time came, pretty much decided she wanted to be backed herself. Parked up out hacking (while being led) and basically wouldn’t go anywhere. Popped my son on and off they went, happiest pony ever. My daughter rode her after the first week. Foot perfect, gave the child a ton of confidence, got her cantering happily out hacking again and is always wonderfully steady and safe.

Both of those had the potential to turn into the wonderful ponies they now are, but someone competent had to put a lot of work in along the way.

 

[milliepops]

agree they are made. I recently sold a young horse with a temperament to die for, but he still needs a lot of making. His nice temperament will only take him so far, even he put up some objections during backing that could have derailed him big time if they weren't dealt with quickly and sensitively. They can be born with a tendency to be willing and easy to deal with but they still don't know anything about anything

 

[oldie48]

I couldn't agree more! Our best pony was a bit of a nightmare for the first year, napped, reared, wouldn't go near a ditch and generally was a bit of a pita. He was also seriously BTV on the flat which was probably the most difficult thing to fix. When my daughter outgrew him after having had a really successful time with him he was sold as the perfect schoolmaster, and he was. He adapted to his rider, was fab to hack anywhere on his own and in fast company, would happily pop a small fence or clear a 1.20m, had super easy flatwork and he had lovely manners. he certainly wasn't born like that and yes, you could put your granny on him. Same with the horse I am riding now, I've known him since he was a very naughty 5 year old, scared of his own shadow with a strong tendency to go up at the slightest provocation, he's now a lovely schoolmaster and although he still gets worried on a hack, he's been trained to listen to his rider rather than go into flight mode and I'm the granny! I'm aware that I always talk about temperament being the most important thing but perhaps it would be better to say trainability (+ good consistent training for an established horse).
edit to add when I have bought an established horse, I'm also paying a lot more for the years of training that it's had and that costs money.

 

[Red-1]

I also agree they need making, or at least help to find the right path. I also think it can go very wrong very quickly, even with a good natured, well trained one.

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

Lots of adverts annoy me!
What is wrong with stating the facts, breed, sex, height, age, colour, good to .........., comp record if there is one and being honest about faults e.g. has been seen to windsuck/ small sarcoid on.......?

I get absolutely fed up of wading through essays of meaningless nonsense, with photos of horses in rugs. And all the dodgy dealer gobbledygook 'no tyre kickers' etc tells me all I need to know.

 

[Birker2020]

To me, no silly prices always seems to come at the end of a FB wanted ad which describes a unicorn.
(usually approx 16hh 6-10 years old, no tbs or cobs, no greys or coloureds, ideally a gelding. Must hack alone and in company, be safe enough to put granny on but go out and win at RC at the weekend) which in the current market can and does command a strong value, and so I assume the person buying doesn’t consider that and thinks £15k for a general all rounder is silly, instead of an accurate reflection of the type of horse they’re after in the current market, especially when their budget is £3500 (which admittedly 3 years ago would have given you a few of these types of horses to look at)
Sorry that’s one horrendous long sentence!

It's really alarming the way you take the micky out of people and feel its acceptable to mock and ridicule them for wording their exact requirements.

When I put my FB ad I described the fact that I wanted a WB or ISH between 16.2hh - 17.1hh aged between 5 - 11, no greys/coloureds and something that would hack alone. I wanted something that had a bit of experience with jumping and wasn't spooky at fillers. I needed a gelding as I would never have a mare (just personal choice). I said I had a decent budget.

To be quite honest if I'm prepared to keep a potential horse in a 'forever home' for the next 20 years then damn right I want something I like and I don't want to compromise on colour or sex or breed and I don't personally see anything at all wrong with that at all.

I had a budget of £10K which I exceed by £2.5K to have the horse I have now (that as it happened had all his double clears in newcomers, been round Hickstead as a 5 yr old, has a vast BE record, and which flew the vetting.) His competition record wasn't something I actively chased in a horse, but I did want something that would look after me a little and wouldn't spook at a jump because it had a shaft of sunlight on it, or the filler was a brighter colour than the rest.

Sadly things haven't worked out but its not through want of trying and the horse on trying him out seemed perfect for me and ticked all my boxes, or I'd not gone to see him and wasted anyone's time.

I do wish you wouldn't put people down like you do.

 

[spacefaer]

@Birker2020 the point of the post you quoted was not to take the mickey out of an advert stating very precise requirements. The point of the post was to decry the advertiser's desire for the perfect unicorn horse for a very nominal sum, well under current market rates.

One of my pet hates is those people who read what they want to in an advert, rather than what has actually been written.

 

[AntiPuck]

It's really alarming the way you take the micky out of people and feel its acceptable to mock and ridicule them for putting an advert which words exactly their requirements.

When I put my FB ad I described the fact that I wanted a WB or ISH between 16.2hh - 17.1hh aged between 5 - 11, no greys/coloureds and something that would hack alone. I wanted something that had a bit of experience with jumping and wasn't spooky at fillers. I needed a gelding as I would never have a mare (just personal choice). I said I had a decent budget.

To be quite honest if I'm prepared to keep a potential horse in a 'forever home' for the next 20 years then damn right I want something I like and I don't want to compromise on colour or sex and I don't personally see anything at all wrong with that at all. I had a budget of £10K which I exceed by £2.5K to have the horse I have now (that as it happened had all his double clears in newcomers, been round Hickstead as a 5 yr old, has a vast BE record, and which flew the vetting.) Sadly things haven't worked out but its not through want of trying.

I do wish you wouldn't put people down like you do.

Yet you've made multiple posts on this thread repeatedly "putting down" sellers who you seem to think had a personal vendetta against you in how they priced their horses...

If you don't want to compromise on what you want, why were you expecting the sellers to?

 

[Birker2020]

@Birker2020 the point of the post you quoted was not to take the mickey out of an advert stating very precise requirements. The point of the post was to decry the advertiser's desire for the perfect unicorn horse for a very nominal sum, well under current market rates.

One of my pet hates is those people who read what they want to in an advert, rather than what has actually been written.

Well Chaps 89 actually wrote "to me, no silly prices always seems to come at the end of a FB wanted ad which describes a unicorn" which I ready to be demeaning and patronising (and a tad unfair) to people like myself who have clear expectations when purchasing a horse.

 

[EllenJay]

It's really alarming the way you take the micky out of people and feel its acceptable to mock and ridicule them for wording their exact requirements.

When I put my FB ad I described the fact that I wanted a WB or ISH between 16.2hh - 17.1hh aged between 5 - 11, no greys/coloureds and something that would hack alone. I wanted something that had a bit of experience with jumping and wasn't spooky at fillers. I needed a gelding as I would never have a mare (just personal choice). I said I had a decent budget.

To be quite honest if I'm prepared to keep a potential horse in a 'forever home' for the next 20 years then damn right I want something I like and I don't want to compromise on colour or sex or breed and I don't personally see anything at all wrong with that at all.

I had a budget of £10K which I exceed by £2.5K to have the horse I have now (that as it happened had all his double clears in newcomers, been round Hickstead as a 5 yr old, has a vast BE record, and which flew the vetting.) His competition record wasn't something I actively chased in a horse, but I did want something that would look after me a little and wouldn't spook at a jump because it had a shaft of sunlight on it, or the filler was a brighter colour than the rest.

Sadly things haven't worked out but its not through want of trying and the horse on trying him out seemed perfect for me and ticked all my boxes, or I'd not gone to see him and wasted anyone's time.

I do wish you wouldn't put people down like you do.

I'm really not sure why you have to make every post about buying horses about you. What Chaps89 was pointing out was someone who has specific requirements for a horse that everyone wants but only want to pay "silly money" i.e. less than £4k. It was nothing to do with writing a full list of what you are looking for

 

[ihatework]

It's really alarming the way you take the micky out of people and feel its acceptable to mock and ridicule them for wording their exact requirements.

When I put my FB ad I described the fact that I wanted a WB or ISH between 16.2hh - 17.1hh aged between 5 - 11, no greys/coloureds and something that would hack alone. I wanted something that had a bit of experience with jumping and wasn't spooky at fillers. I needed a gelding as I would never have a mare (just personal choice). I said I had a decent budget.

To be quite honest if I'm prepared to keep a potential horse in a 'forever home' for the next 20 years then damn right I want something I like and I don't want to compromise on colour or sex or breed and I don't personally see anything at all wrong with that at all.

I had a budget of £10K which I exceed by £2.5K to have the horse I have now (that as it happened had all his double clears in newcomers, been round Hickstead as a 5 yr old, has a vast BE record, and which flew the vetting.) His competition record wasn't something I actively chased in a horse, but I did want something that would look after me a little and wouldn't spook at a jump because it had a shaft of sunlight on it, or the filler was a brighter colour than the rest.

Sadly things haven't worked out but its not through want of trying and the horse on trying him out seemed perfect for me and ticked all my boxes, or I'd not gone to see him and wasted anyone's time.

I do wish you wouldn't put people down like you do.

To be honest - a horse of the stamp you bought and with the competition history, would have been snapped up at 25k IF the horse were still capable of doing anything half close to its former self.

I eluded to such at the time.

I’ve been sitting on my hands as I don’t want this to come across as a dig or upset you, I can completely see why you were smitten with the horse and your heart ruled (plus you did nothing wrong, he passed a vet).

But you are a very inexperienced an naive horse buyer.

Records on a horse can be a devil. They rarely tell the full story.

 

[Birker2020]

Yet you've made multiple posts on this thread repeatedly "putting down" sellers who you seem to think had a personal vendetta against you in how they priced their horses...

If you don't want to compromise on what you want, why were you expecting the sellers to?

I've put down no one and I've never said anyone has a personal vendetta against me so I'm really not sure where that has come from. If that's how you interpret someone having a point of view then fine.

There are a lot of people on the forum who have been complaining about the price hike in horses but strangely they are not forthcoming now.

Mind you I can't blame them, having a point of view that is different from some folks on here is not to be advised.

 

[Red-1]

Well Chaps 89 actually wrote "to me, no silly prices always seems to come at the end of a FB wanted ad which describes a unicorn" which I ready to be demeaning and patronising (and a tad unfair) to people like myself who have clear expectations when purchasing a horse.

I also had strict parameters. I used to have wider ones but, as I have got older, I haver become less willing and able to sweep up problems. TBH, when I was younger and fitter I wouldn't even seen them as a problem, just as something to work on.

The difference is, I wouldn't presume Chaps was referring to me, as I had a decent budget, so would not have pout 'no silly prices' on a wanted advert.

As an aside, I did try a wanted advert, but stopped that little game when people only seemed to offer horses that quite obviously didn't fit my criteria, but were shirty when I pointed that out. I found it better to use the advanced search criteria on Horsequest, so I only saw horses that were to specification. I only wished that Horsequest had a mileage/ postcode filter as that would have saved time.

 

[Birker2020]

To be honest - a horse of the stamp you bought and with the competition history, would have been snapped up at 25k IF the horse were still capable of doing anything half close to its former self.

I eluded to such at the time.

I’ve been sitting on my hands as I don’t want this to come across as a dig or upset you, I can completely see why you were smitten with the horse and your heart ruled (plus you did nothing wrong, he passed a vet).

But you are a very inexperienced an naive horse buyer.

Records on a horse can be a devil. They rarely tell the full story.

I don't ever recall you saying anything about the horse to be honest andcertainly nothing detrimental. And like you say, I had it vetted and did my due diligence and found nothing of any note.

And I am not a very inexperienced or naive horse buyer either.

Lari was my 7th horse, the other horses I owned were amazing as they were all from dealers, except the first that we sold as a brood mare.

Each horse was exactly as described and I used to compete everyone of them within a couple of weeks of owning them.

I never had an lameness or health issues beyond what would normally be expected from any horse and they were all lovely to ride and smashing horses that all flew their vettings.

So how that makes me inexperienced is beyond me.

 

[Birker2020]

The difference is, I wouldn't presume Chaps was referring to me, as I had a decent budget, so would not have pout 'no silly prices' on a wanted advert.

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It must be a massive coincidence then.

 

[Red-1]

To be honest - a horse of the stamp you bought and with the competition history, would have been snapped up at 25k IF the horse were still capable of doing anything half close to its former self.

I eluded to such at the time.

I’ve been sitting on my hands as I don’t want this to come across as a dig or upset you, I can completely see why you were smitten with the horse and your heart ruled (plus you did nothing wrong, he passed a vet).

But you are a very inexperienced an naive horse buyer.

Records on a horse can be a devil. They rarely tell the full story.

I did think this was a tad harsh, but would agree with the part that when Birker was looking, the sort of horse she was after was easily 25K. I know because I was in the market for a 16hh version. I had started with a 12K budget, quickly upped to 15K, then realised 20K was a minimum with 25K being the sweet spot to have horses that I could actually get to see.

That was a bit rich for me as I too didn't need a particular competition record. I just wanted a nice, sane, sound horse, with enough experience that it wouldn't chuck me around if we went to a show.

So, I changed the criteria and bought a much heavier, more sedate type, buy younger. I didn't think it was 'unfair' it was simply the market and I was out of that range.

As it happens, the baby horse is great, despite being grey, and I doubt I would be having any more fun with a more athletic but mature one.

I think what is ruffling people is the notion that it is somehow unfair about prices.

 

[chaps89]

It's really alarming the way you take the micky out of people and feel its acceptable to mock and ridicule them for wording their exact requirements.

When I put my FB ad I described the fact that I wanted a WB or ISH between 16.2hh - 17.1hh aged between 5 - 11, no greys/coloureds and something that would hack alone. I wanted something that had a bit of experience with jumping and wasn't spooky at fillers. I needed a gelding as I would never have a mare (just personal choice). I said I had a decent budget.

To be quite honest if I'm prepared to keep a potential horse in a 'forever home' for the next 20 years then damn right I want something I like and I don't want to compromise on colour or sex or breed and I don't personally see anything at all wrong with that at all.

I had a budget of £10K which I exceed by £2.5K to have the horse I have now (that as it happened had all his double clears in newcomers, been round Hickstead as a 5 yr old, has a vast BE record, and which flew the vetting.) His competition record wasn't something I actively chased in a horse, but I did want something that would look after me a little and wouldn't spook at a jump because it had a shaft of sunlight on it, or the filler was a brighter colour than the rest.

Sadly things haven't worked out but its not through want of trying and the horse on trying him out seemed perfect for me and ticked all my boxes, or I'd not gone to see him and wasted anyone's time.

I do wish you wouldn't put people down like you do.

As others have pointed out, you missed my point entirely.
There is nothing wrong with being specific in requirements at all (usually there does have to be a compromise somewhere and if that’s not in the requirements then it’s probably going to be in the amount of time you (generic you) take to find said beastie or how much it costs (as you found yourself). After all, what’s the saying, you can have a good horse, a sound horse or a cheap horse but not all 3 in the same animal (or something like that)

My point was in reference to the title of this post - no silly prices.
My own observation has been that I usually see that phrase at the end of a very specific wanted advert, and it’s usually a wanted advert for a very desirable type of horse, which therefore won’t be cheap. In saying no silly prices, my assumption is that the person looking isn’t aware of the true cost of such animals and either can’t or won’t pay market value as thinks it is a silly price to pay.
I think someone else wrote it out well upthread - I ‘just’ want a rc all rounder, not a world beater, a happy hacker type, why can’t I find it? Being a common post - answer being because these are the types that are worth their weight in gold, don’t get sold often and when they do it’s often word of mouth, and so they command a good price and why shouldn’t they.
I think someone also put it well when they said a specific wanted ad would be well received at the end of it said there were budget constraints so the person was open to compromise, I think that’s a nice approach (But requires the person to be open to compromise in the first place of course)

I only ever buy budget project horses sub £1500. Personally I don’t want to and can’t spend £3k or more on what would be the equivalent type now. But it is what it is, times have changed, what I’m willing to pay for something is different to what someone else will be willing to pay which might well be £3k for a project and I’ve accepted that, it’s life.

 

[Red-1]

Oops, wrong thread. Twas meant for property porn thread!

 

[Birker2020]

I did think this was a tad harsh, but would agree with the part that when Birker was looking, the sort of horse she was after was easily 25K. I know because I was in the market for a 16hh version. I had started with a 12K budget, quickly upped to 15K, then realised 20K was a minimum with 25K being the sweet spot to have horses that I could actually get to see.
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The woman was originally marketing him for £15K and I think it had been more than that possibly. I'd only just started looking at the price range on Horsequest and dreaming as I didn't have that kind of budget but saw his advert and fell in love. I spoke to a few people (a couple of people on here too) about the situation and it was suggested I text her to see if she'd negotiate as I liked him so much as he seemed so suitable for my needs and ticked all my boxes. So I did, she did, I did a stretch of the budget and the rest is history.

But to be honest in 1995 I bought a Grade B SJ for £2,500 at a time when such a horse would have been probably been around £8K (he'd done speed derby's abroad 1.30m) Again not looking for a horse with a competition record, he was just there at the right time. And he was the best horse I ever owned so I didn't think it was that suspicious to be honest. And I thought the vet at the vetting would be able to 'mop up' any problems/faults, after all that was what I was paying for.

 

[TPO]

I don't ever recall you saying anything about the horse to be honest andcertainly nothing detrimental. And like you say, I had it vetted and did my due diligence and found nothing of any note.

And I am not a very inexperienced or naive horse buyer either.

Lari was my 7th horse, the other horses I owned were amazing as they were all from dealers, except the first that we sold as a brood mare.

Each horse was exactly as described and I used to compete everyone of them within a couple of weeks of owning them.

I never had an lameness or health issues beyond what would normally be expected from any horse and they were all lovely to ride and smashing horses that all flew their vettings.

So how that makes me inexperienced is beyond me.

Lots of people wouldn't have commented because of the way you react to absolutely everything, despite being the one asking for comments.

I don't have a great eye, am fairly experienced with horses but not buying them, and even a numpty like me could see red flags in the photos and, especially, videos that you posted. Unfortunately my private thoughts, I haven't posted on any of your threads about him, have turned out to be correct.

I've been on here since pre 2004 as a lurker and since 2004 as a member. You most definitely have posted about "lameness and health issues beyond what would normally be expected from any horse". You've said so yourself on various vet bill and lameness threads and all of that speaks for itself.

Attacking and calling out one of *the* nicest posters on here is totally uncalled for, not every thread/post is about you despite your very best efforts to always make it so.

 

[Birker2020]

Attacking and calling out one of *the* nicest posters on here is totally uncalled for, not every thread/post is about you despite your very best efforts to always make it so.

Wow you ought to write for the Daily Mail.

 

[Barton Bounty]

your missing the point but never mind.
Compromising means buying something with a health issue as I've just explained.
Surely I can't be the only one that thinks horses are mega expensive at the moment and have been for the past two years? Where are all the people that have been saying over the last few months the very same as me, to back me up?

https://forums.horseandhound.co.uk/threads/horse-market-has-simply-gone-nuts.819803/#post-14945659

Market has gone absolutely bonkers.. dogs thankfully are coming down in price but so are the dog shelters filling up as people come to the realisation that they are having to go to the office more.
A friend sold a connie at the beginning of lockdown, 9.5 k for a broken horse with a previous pelvic injury. Did not pass the vetting but she still got sold on… no idea what happened to her now.
i would definitely buy a project at 1.5/2 and make it into a nice horse rather than buy one that SAYS it has all the bells and whistles and when you get it home it ends up a nightmare. Happens to plenty of people.

 

[Cortez]

Wow you ought to write for the Daily Mail.

You are not coming across as particularly reasonable or mature. In case it has flown over your head, not a single poster on this thread has agreed with your analysis of the current horse market. If I were you I'd be having a deep think and reassessment of my attitudes.

 

[Birker2020]

You are not coming across as particularly reasonable or mature. In case it has flown over your head, not a single poster on this thread has agreed with your analysis of the current horse market. If I were you I'd be having a deep think and reassessment of my attitudes.

Because its exasperating. Especially when people say stuff like 'attacking and calling out one of *the* nicest posters on here is totally uncalled for '. Where on earth have I done that? Show me where!

And its okay to accuse me of being an inexperienced and naive buyer, what a load of codswallop. And yes my last horse broke, but I had her for 17 years and probably rode her for 13 of those. Horses do break as this forum knows only too well.

And there are posters who have agreed with what I've said but there are many more that are afraid to come on here and have a viewpoint because they get browbeaten for it.

You only have to do a search of 'horse prices' or similar on the forum to see that there are plenty of people who have said "omg what it happening with the price of horses at the moment?", we have discussed this time and time again on the forum (not me) but lots of other people on lots of other threads. I've attached a screen shot of a quick search I've done which proves the point.

Unfortunately if you are not in the majority with your viewpoint on the forum then you are just stamped all over which is a real shame when we come on here through our mutual love of horses.

 

[milliepops]

Other people are surprised at the increases (particularly if they've not been in the horse market for a few years) but I've never seen anyone else say it was "unfair".

 

[CanteringCarrot]

Lots of people wouldn't have commented because of the way you react to absolutely everything, despite being the one asking for comments.

I don't have a great eye, am fairly experienced with horses but not buying them, and even a numpty like me could see red flags in the photos and, especially, videos that you posted. Unfortunately my private thoughts, I haven't posted on any of your threads about him, have turned out to be correct.

I've been on here since pre 2004 as a lurker and since 2004 as a member. You most definitely have posted about "lameness and health issues beyond what would normally be expected from any horse". You've said so yourself on various vet bill and lameness threads and all of that speaks for itself.

Attacking and calling out one of *the* nicest posters on here is totally uncalled for, not every thread/post is about you despite your very best efforts to always make it so.

I've been sitting on my hands and I'm not very good at that, but I just came here to say "same"

I might have voiced my concerns once, but tried to be optimistic because I can be a negative Nancy, but my gut instinct was unfortunately right.



Also, if you (whoever this may apply to, and in general) choose to take offense to something that someone did not say or mean, even after clarifications, that's on you. If you choose to misinterpret their words in order to be offended or to make them about you, that's on you. Not them.

 

[CanteringCarrot]

There is a difference between saying, "Wow the horse market really has changed, it's bonkers" vs "it's unfair" in respect to people advertising their horses at fair market value.

 

[Rosemary28]

Because its exasperating. Especially when people say stuff like 'attacking and calling out one of *the* nicest posters on here is totally uncalled for '. Where on earth have I done that? Show me where!

It's really alarming the way you take the micky out of people and feel its acceptable to mock and ridicule them for wording their exact requirements.

Sorry Birker but you take things too personally. Chaps was speaking generally about people who want the moon but won't pay for it. She wasn't criticising people who have specific requirements.