Not sure what to do next ... doesnt seem to want to jump still?

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Okies so my event horsie has been in and of work since oct 2007 ... it all started with shooting off after fences and gor progressivly worse till he went 1/2 10ths lame in front we have had 3 vets opinions and eventually went for full body bone scan which showed 8 degree reverse rotation in his hind pedal bones ...
Note he has always been fine on bute everthing would go back to normal

Initially the vet said hopefully he should come right with just remedial shoes and was put in 3 degree wedge heels and short toes shod every 3/4 weeks and has been having this since October 08 now he is going much better on the flat so vet said after last set of shoe 5 weeks ago now i could start jumping .... but he doesnt want to...

he is very sharp and sensitive at best of times but usually loves his jumping so juzt kinda does it and you will just sit and steer but u cant reli push the matter when he doesnt want to..... so i will come round corner to tiny x pole and 4/5 strides out he will nap to side bunny hop rear shake and divvy around.... then if you hold him straight and come in trot he will fire jump and then [****] off.. usually like once round school but other dya he litrally ran off like 15 times around the school... and i wouldnt say im a nervous rider but it did bother me coz he was almost falling on turns and nearly ran into fence first time round.... then once he stopped i stood for a min then carried on on fla asn he was fine he jut complety looses plot when u even tink of jumping?
If someone is in school building jumps he gets all spooky and shakey and seems to be scared of poles....

Called vet he said feet ob sore again put him on 2 bute a dy and see how he goes and they will inject his coffin joints next time he goes in .... but he was the same when i rode him last night after a week of bute and it was litrally poles on ground and hes like ooo it might bite me .... he must have lost his nerve compleltly the horse that litrally carried me around PN type stuff when i couldnt ride for toffee .... is now terrified of a pole
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Does he just not want to do it anymore? should i push it ?

should i just do poles for months and see if it gets better or worse?

could he still be sore now even on bute and im mean to try make him and hes trying to tell me?

vet is thinking he wants to MRI to find out exactly wats wrong but is it reli worth it again its only diagnositic and surely only other thing that can be done is cut nerves which we wont put him through..... (the insurance has run out and my mum is right when she said is it reli worth it when you could almost buy a baby tb for that?)

Or do i retire him or keep him for flat i dunno hes reli not happy hacker type so couldnt give/loan him out gah!! nightmare !!

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1) your sig is far too big

2) your horse may simply still be expecting it to hurt and therefore misbehaving in anticipation, so it possible no amount of investigation will reveal the cause

3) in the meantime don't forget to check the routine things - teeth, tack etc
 
sorry its not a sig just a picy i put up of him sorry ...

yer im guessing maybe just playing about over poles for months may settle him down and not even try jumping for ages its just so odd coz at end of summer when he went to liphook the min the blocked his feet out he was totally back t how he used to be gah

yer we have checked all the basics and the prod him a bit each time hes at liphook to check!

thanks
 
Unfortunately, if he now associates jumping with pain, you could have a bit of a battle on. I used to know a sharp little arab mare who could jump 4 foot from trot. An idiot bought her and jumped her to death over 2 foot fences and socked her in the mouth every time. The last time I saw her she wouldn't even go over a trotting pole. Some horses have very long memories.
 
My boy has been going thru something fairly similar- foot imbalance in all feet, which made the pedal bone start to tip backwards, he hasn't been lame as such but caused poor performance. Assume vets have checked hocks and for tightness thru sacroiliac as well as from my boys experience of having foot imbalance they compensate somewhere else in his body. He was going to have 3degree wedges too, but we tried fitting them and my boy hated them so farrier took them out at the fitting stage. I would also get vet/farrier to check shoeing and fine tune if necessary.

It must be so frustrating for you, but its good that you have a horse that tell you when he's not right somewhere, my advice would be to get Farrier, good vet and physio to all cooperate and work together. my boy is having remedial shoeing to help him shod very long and wide at heels, has had Tildren, hocks injected, physio, new saddle and we are finally coming through it now, but it can take a very long time, so don't be too despondent!! even if it means to you have to take a step back to go forward. As your vet said blocking the coffin joint may be the next step to finding out what is wrong and MRI will show up any probs with soft tissue so I'd go for it to get a definite answer as if its the horse in the signature he looks like a lovely horse.

I'd totally forget poles and jumping and get to the bottom of whats going on and then take it from there. Good luck.
 
When the pedal bone rotation was diagnosed did you have his suspensory ligaments scanned? That degree of rotation may have put a great deal of strain on the suspensory ligaments, so he may have some damage that needs treating (which can be done without de-nerving!)
 
I'd be getting the vet back out. What exactly have the insurance excluded as this could be a new injury or problem? Your horse is clearly trying to tell you something, what you and your vet need to work out is whether he simply doesn't want to jump anymore or whether he is in pain. My thoughts would be the latter.
 
I wouldnt even think about jumping with a horse behaving like that. Bute is just treating the symptoms, not necessarily the cause. You have 2 choices i suppose: 1) pay out for more tests and see if you get more info and consequently treat what you find or 2) let the horse tell you what he wants to do & provided hes not in pain just do flatwork and poles on the ground and see if he can return to jumping at a later date. If he still says no i would forget the jumping and accept he is not the same horse he was.
How old is he?
 
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