NOW vet thinks it's annular ligament!

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Hi all,
Horse pulled up lame in hind leg out hacking 6 weeks ago. I called vet immediately. He gave him bute, scratched his head and told me it was in his foot and to cold hose and box rest. Got farrier out to pull the shoe who also agreed it was in his foot, and he found severe bruising in front foot on the same side. Horse tied up during box rest and was unwell for a few days. Leg swelled up and was very lame. It went down after a week. Poulticed etc.
Farrier came out and said hmmm think it's navicular - he put on eggbars. Horse was visibly better.
Now I spoke to vet who said as horse has spavin that turnout was ok. Horse doesnt run around and ground is nice and hard. SO horse has been out since with continued cold treatment and no bute, and swelling has gone down almost completely. Walked out under saddle for 10 mins up the road with no ill effects every few days.
Had vet out yesterday to have another look and did flexion test/trot up. She thinks it's annular ligament. He's 2/10 lame in right hind before flexion BUT he is always like that due to spavin. He is 4/10 after flexion. She focussed on flexing fetlock not hock, so that's how she made her diagnosis.

We have decided to give him a month of field rest as box rest will make him stiffen up. He's pretty sound and leg doesn't swell up after walking out. Then another flexion test.If in that time he's no better he will need scans etc at the horsepital. Then possible treatment.

Is there anything else I can do to help the healing process and prevent adhesions etc? Anything I can feed etc? I know that in humans ligament injuries should not be kept immobile.

Wondered what to do next re insurance. Horse is insured at present BUT due for renewal next week. I have claimed for spavin in both hind legs this year so I am worried they may contest it? We also now have exclusions for laminitis, spavin, ANY type of DJD (arthritis). I wasn't going to bother renewing it this time as we're just happy hackers and horse is 16 however I think I might have to. And I expect I will have to put a claim in for this before renewing in order for it to be covered?
 
Hi all,
Horse pulled up lame in hind leg out hacking 6 weeks ago. I called vet immediately. He gave him bute, scratched his head and told me it was in his foot and to cold hose and box rest. Got farrier out to pull the shoe who also agreed it was in his foot, and he found severe bruising in front foot on the same side. Horse tied up during box rest and was unwell for a few days. Leg swelled up and was very lame. It went down after a week. Poulticed etc.
Farrier came out and said hmmm think it's navicular - he put on eggbars. Horse was visibly better.
Now I spoke to vet who said as horse has spavin that turnout was ok. Horse doesnt run around and ground is nice and hard. SO horse has been out since with continued cold treatment and no bute, and swelling has gone down almost completely. Walked out under saddle for 10 mins up the road with no ill effects every few days.
Had vet out yesterday to have another look and did flexion test/trot up. She thinks it's annular ligament. He's 2/10 lame in right hind before flexion BUT he is always like that due to spavin. He is 4/10 after flexion. She focussed on flexing fetlock not hock, so that's how she made her diagnosis.

We have decided to give him a month of field rest as box rest will make him stiffen up. He's pretty sound and leg doesn't swell up after walking out. Then another flexion test.If in that time he's no better he will need scans etc at the horsepital. Then possible treatment.

Is there anything else I can do to help the healing process and prevent adhesions etc? Anything I can feed etc? I know that in humans ligament injuries should not be kept immobile.

Wondered what to do next re insurance. Horse is insured at present BUT due for renewal next week. I have claimed for spavin in both hind legs this year so I am worried they may contest it? We also now have exclusions for laminitis, spavin, ANY type of DJD (arthritis). I wasn't going to bother renewing it this time as we're just happy hackers and horse is 16 however I think I might have to. And I expect I will have to put a claim in for this before renewing in order for it to be covered?
This will have to be notified to insurers, who will probably exclude hind legs, anyway, due to previous. You can ask them now. Probably you are on your own unless you start a claim pretty much now. There may be some relationship, I don't know. Very strange about bruising, was that due to a longer term less obvious pain causing unlevel gait.
 
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Thanks Bonkers. That's what I am worried about!
Initial bruising was caused (I think) by standing on stone or something hard in the grass - we were cantering and he pulled up and presented lame. I think he's trodden on the stone with his front right foot then twisted his hind leg strangely as a reaction to the stumble? And given that his hock is dodgy and not behaving the way it ought to I guess he has damaged that fetlock.
 
Hi all,
Horse pulled up lame in hind leg out hacking 6 weeks ago. I called vet immediately. He gave him bute, scratched his head and told me it was in his foot and to cold hose and box rest. Got farrier out to pull the shoe who also agreed it was in his foot, and he found severe bruising in front foot on the same side. Horse tied up during box rest and was unwell for a few days. Leg swelled up and was very lame. It went down after a week. Poulticed etc.
Farrier came out and said hmmm think it's navicular - he put on eggbars. Horse was visibly better.
Now I spoke to vet who said as horse has spavin that turnout was ok. Horse doesnt run around and ground is nice and hard. SO horse has been out since with continued cold treatment and no bute, and swelling has gone down almost completely. Walked out under saddle for 10 mins up the road with no ill effects every few days.
Had vet out yesterday to have another look and did flexion test/trot up. She thinks it's annular ligament. He's 2/10 lame in right hind before flexion BUT he is always like that due to spavin. He is 4/10 after flexion. She focussed on flexing fetlock not hock, so that's how she made her diagnosis.

We have decided to give him a month of field rest as box rest will make him stiffen up. He's pretty sound and leg doesn't swell up after walking out. Then another flexion test.If in that time he's no better he will need scans etc at the horsepital. Then possible treatment.

Is there anything else I can do to help the healing process and prevent adhesions etc? Anything I can feed etc? I know that in humans ligament injuries should not be kept immobile.

Wondered what to do next re insurance. Horse is insured at present BUT due for renewal next week. I have claimed for spavin in both hind legs this year so I am worried they may contest it? We also now have exclusions for laminitis, spavin, ANY type of DJD (arthritis). I wasn't going to bother renewing it this time as we're just happy hackers and horse is 16 however I think I might have to. And I expect I will have to put a claim in for this before renewing in order for it to be covered?

My mare did her annular ligament she wore supportive bandages in the stable and then it was rest and cold compresses. I did use radiol liniment as an extra http://www.amazon.co.uk/Radiol-M-R-Muscle-Embrocation-500/dp/B007YZM08E, it healed up over time and never was an issue again. You will have to notify insurance of this claim/ injury and most likely they will exclude this from your next policy year.
 
Start a claim now with insurers for an annular ligament injury - vet records should reflect this is that is your vet's diagnosis at present. They should pay, as it isn't spavin and you can contest it if they refuse via your vets. They should pay out on this condition for a year, if they have the same terms as most other insurers, despite the fact that your renewal is due.

I agree with HGA, usual annular ligament treatment is box rest or very limited turn out.
 
I would advise against linament and bandaging, as it might blister.
If you box rest there is a big risk of her running around as soon as turned out, so as she is quiet, I would continue with turnout, if vet is happy, you can use the linament if barelegged.
 
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Re the insurance. I made a claim and then didn't renew when that came due 2 months later.
The insurance company continued to pay out for the condition as the claim had been started in the year I had insurance.
 
I would advise against linament and bandaging, as it might blister.
If you box rest there is a big risk of her running around as soon as turned out, so as she is quiet, I would continue with turnout, if vet is happy, you can use the linament if barelegged.

Never did with any of mine and I have used it since the early 1980's and have had great results with all sort of tendon issues including my boy who is recovering from tendon issue. It will not blister if you follow the instructions to the letter OP.
 
Guess I will have to ring the insurance this week then :( I didn't want ot claim in case it was nothing and treatment won't have reached my excess but at least I am covered if it doesn't get better by itself.

I have been treating it with Ice Blue alternating with cold hosing which seems to work well, I think it'ssimilar to Radiol? Anyway it seems to do the job!

Does that mean that the insurance should pay even if I don't continue the policy? I am going to see if I can make some changes to it to get it be a bit cheaper, I mean horse's value won't be as stated now and he won't ever be hunting or xc in the foreseeable future.
 
Does that mean that the insurance should pay even if I don't continue the policy?

Mine did, I had paid for 2013 when the condition occurred so they carried on paying out even though I didn't renew in 2014. To be fair there wasn't much treatment after in this case, just a couple of follow up visits but they didn't quibble. They had an active claim on their books up to the 12 month cut off from first signs. This was NFU.
 
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