Numpty BE questions

[DarkHorseB]

It is our first BE this weekend and I wanted to check up on a few things

Do I need to take my horses passport to secretarys tent when I collect my numbers or only produce it if asked to?

My sister's friend said that if you got eliminated SJ you could request to go XC is that still the case could not find anything in the rule book.

If you have a run out at a combination in XC say part B do you need to rejump whole obstacle as you would in SJ?

Also any important tips for first event?

 

[tinkerbell88]

I always take my passport to the secretary tent when I get my number as it is usually a long way from the lorry park and I don't want to have to walk all the way back again!

If you are eliminated sj then I don't think you can go xc. If you have a run out at part B xc then you just re-present to part B.

Good luck and enjoy it! If you have any questions on the day then just ask someone in the lorry park as I find 99% of people are really freindly and helpful.

 

[Eventer96]

I always take my passport with me because if they ask to see it then I have got it and I don't then have to make the usually long trip again.

If you are eliminated in the sj then you can't go xc. When I got eliminated at Tweseldown they told me as I left the arena that I couldn't take my horse xc.

If you have a stop/run out then you only need to jump part B.

I know you have just got the same answers again but thought I would answer too and wish you the best of luck. Have a wonderful time. Let us know how you get on!

 

[eishi]

I may be wrong but I think xc you can choose If the fence is a combination eg. 3a 3b and you stop at b, it is your choice whether you jump a and b again or just b. obviously if its a one stride double it might be easier to jump them both again!

tips? generally just have a nice chilled day! BE isn't as scary as it first looks!

oh and yes definately take your passport... silly me forgot mine at Moreton morrel last year, very nice secretary let me do my dressage then drive home get my passport and drive back again to sj and xc! talk about stress!

 

[jumptoit]

You can request to go XC if it as Technical Elimination in the SJ for example wrong course, miss out a fence, jump one twice .

 

[Stormy123456]

Thank God I read this!! I also have my first BE event this weekend and wouldn't have taken Ballet's passport with me!! thanks!

 

[Gamebird]

Thank God I read this!! I also have my first BE event this weekend and wouldn't have taken Ballet's passport with me!! thanks!

Take. It. Everywhere. It's the law!!!!!!

 

[DarkHorseB]

I may be wrong but I think xc you can choose If the fence is a combination eg. 3a 3b and you stop at b, it is your choice whether you jump a and b again or just b. obviously if its a one stride double it might be easier to jump them both again!

tips? generally just have a nice chilled day! BE isn't as scary as it first looks!

oh and yes definately take your passport... silly me forgot mine at Moreton morrel last year, very nice secretary let me do my dressage then drive home get my passport and drive back again to sj and xc! talk about stress!

Well there will be no popping back for me as it is 3.5 hour journey
I am terrified I am going to forget something essential!

So it sounds like you would not be penalised for jumping a again then if you needed too. Likewise I would hate to be eliminated for only jumping part b if I needed to jump both!!

Thanks for all the replies so far.

 

[Eventer96]

Well there will be no popping back for me as it is 3.5 hour journey
I am terrified I am going to forget something essential!

So it sounds like you would not be penalised for jumping a again then if you needed too. Likewise I would hate to be eliminated for only jumping part b if I needed to jump both!!

Thanks for all the replies so far.

Make sure your organised the day before and you will be fine.

Stich your passport in the lorry and take it everywhere with you, sorted

 

[SpottedCat]

If you decide to rejump a and b then if you have a problem with a, even if you jumped it cleanly the first time then you will be penalised for that so beware! Also if they are separately numbered but can either be jumped as a combination or a circle betwen them then you can only rejump the one you had a problem with not both - if you do both it is E.

 

[DarkHorseB]

Ooh thanks for that!
How can you tell if it is one you can do circle between?

Of course I should be thinking positively that we will fly round and none of these things need be bothered about

 

[SpottedCat]

If something can be jumped as a combination but the two fences are separately numbered (eg 16 and 17 rather than 16a and b) then you can circle in between them without incurring a penalty. Imagine (for example) two offset roll tops which you can either angle both of or jump one, circle round and jump the other:

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[DarkHorseB]

If something can be jumped as a combination but the two fences are separately numbered (eg 16 and 17 rather than 16a and b) then you can circle in between them without incurring a penalty. Imagine (for example) two offset roll tops which you can either angle both of or jump one, circle round and jump the other:

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Thanks SpottedCat that makes perfect sense now

 

[Gamebird]

I don't have a lorry so I have nowhere to leave kit permanently, but I do have a large plastic box with a lid that everything important lives in and never leaves. I think I have:

Passport
Medical Card
Number bib
Spurs
Gloves
Spare hairnet
Overgirth
Spare headcollar and leadrope
Spare reins
A couple of emergency strongish bits
Beagler in case of prizegiving
Electrical tape
Baler twine

I can't thiink what else is in there but I know that so long as I pick the box up I have everything that I need and there is no horrible 'did I remember x....' feeling as I drive into the event. The box is so big that if I forgot to put it in the car it would be extremely obvious. I also feel reassured by the knowledge that there is always a tack stand and a friendly face or two so unless it was my passport that I forgot I should be able to buy, beg, borrow or steal eveything else in an emergency.

 

[FigJam]

I don't have a lorry so I have nowhere to leave kit permanently, but I do have a large plastic box with a lid that everything important lives in and never leaves.

Great minds think alike! This is what I do too, it has all the "essentials" that I wouldn't travel without (passport, hairnets, gloves, gaffer tape/boot tape, pins, treats for pony/polos, torch, medical armband, chifney/lunge lines just in case of non-loading issues, never needed them since carrying them with me but now paranoid not to! ) and then I just need to chuck my hat in on the top when I go away. I put my XC boots in my water bucket beside my sponge/scraper and SJ boots get added to the big box.

DarkHorseB- everyone has already answered your questions, I always take passport in hand just in case, Sods Law will then guarantee they don't ask for it but better than an extra run between lorry park and secretary's tent making you more rushed! I'd reccomend only jumping a part A element a second time if you've no option or it puts you in a better position for part B, as SC says, you will be penalised if any issues 2nd time around, even if you jumped it fine 1st time.

You absolutely won't need to worry about the elim SJ though, so look forward to hearing how you get on. Good luck, kick on and have fun!

 

[saskia295]

If you have a run out at part B xc then you just re-present to part B.QUOTE]

NO NO NO!!! If you have a refusal at part B, you must jump the whole obstacle. I fence judge with a friend and would eliminate someone for just jumping B again.

 

[wench]

its up to TA/steward if you are allowed to go XC after TE showjumping. I jumped wrong fence once, elim and no xc for me. However, the doctors wife who went before the bell was allowed to go xc as she was the docs wifE

 

[Baileyhoss]

http://www.britisheventing.com/docu...nTitle=Download+Area#category0001200000010002

Annex 12 will explain the rules re' what counts as a stop.

Saskia295 - Sorry that is not the case. The diagram illustrates & the rule book states "A horse may be re-presented at any element which he has already jumped if he has refused at a later element, but the penalty stands;

No where does it say that all the elements must be jumped again. It's up to the rider to see if they need to jump the previous element.

 

[FigJam]

http://www.britisheventing.com/docu...nTitle=Download+Area#category0001200000010002

Annex 12 will explain the rules re' what counts as a stop.

Saskia295 - Sorry that is not the case. The diagram illustrates & the rule book states "A horse may be re-presented at any element which he has already jumped if he has refused at a later element, but the penalty stands;

No where does it say that all the elements must be jumped again. It's up to the rider to see if they need to jump the previous element.

Absolutely what Baileyhoss said! Saskia295, hope you've not been jump judging any combination fences!!! Matt Ryan also believes what Baileyhoss has said to be the case!

For SJ, you do have to do both parts A & B again if you've a run out at B, but not XC.

 

[DarkHorseB]

That really helps explain it and settles any confusion thanks!

For SJ is 2 stops elimination (as in BS now) or 3. From rule book page 46 I thought 3 but I just saw something on BE website which confused me

 

[Gamebird]

b. A horse may be re-presented at any element which he has already
jumped if he has refused at a later element, but the penalty stands;

Help, hope you have never judged me XC!

If you have a stop at the ditch when it's the middle element of a coffin you don't have to go back and re-take the first element. When your horse won't go in the water after jumping a (same-numbered) fence before the water you don't have to go back and jump element a again. When you have a run out at the skinny out of the water (say element d) you most definitely don't have to back of the start of the water fence and do it all again. These have all happened to me and I would be very angry if I was wrongly eliminated!!

The only time I've had to re-take an a element after a stop at part b was in a skinny-ish bounce when the horse ducked out at the second part and there was no way of getting to it separately.

ETA - sorry, took so long to write that I've cross-posted with about 4 other people

 

[Baileyhoss]

SJ Penalties
Knockdown 4 penalties
First disobedience 4 penalties
Second disobedience in whole test 8 penalties
Third disobedience in whole test Elimination
First fall of Competitor 8 penalties
Second fall of Competitor Elimination
First fall of horse Elimination
Error of course not rectified Elimination
Omission of obstacle or boundary flag Elimination
Retaking an obstacle already jumped Elimination
Jumping obstacle in wrong order Elimination
For every commenced second in excess of the time allowed 1 penalty
Exceeding the Time Limit (which is twice the time allowed) Elimination
Exceeding 24 penalties (not including time) Compulsory Retirement (CR)
- to be enforced at end of round

 

[DarkHorseB]

Yes that is what I read in rule book but this was what I saw on BE website

http://www.britisheventing.com/section.asp?section=681&sectionTitle=The+Phases+explained

 

[Baileyhoss]

Ooooh, well spotted. I would imagine that it's the 2 stops elimination now, like BS, but they certainly should have update the rule book!.

 

[DarkHorseB]

Just went on to BE forum to ask question and someone has just asked it.
I will ring later if not a quick response.
Hopefully of course I will not need to know but I don't want to get in trouble at my first event for re presenting when I shouldn't!!!

 

[Shazzababs]

Just wanted to add about the circling between 2 separately numbered fences that you will only get no penalties if the horse has not been presented at the second fence.

So if you are going to do the circling try and make it obvious that that was your plan all along, because if it looks like the horse turned away at the last minute you may pick up a run-out penalty.

 

[wench]

oh goody two stops, even more encouragement for my horse to be naughty.

 

[Baggybreeches]

What everyone else said, but try to think positive, thinking about what to do if you have a stop is not PMA!!
If in doubt at anytime ask the secretary (they are usually the most helpful, unless you are at Bold!)

 

[Thistle]

The rule has always been 3 stops for elim. I'm sure if they had changed it there would have been some posts on here.

 

[MagicMelon]

I thought you could possibly go XC if you had a technical elimination in the SJ (ie. you missed a fence)?