OK so bought him for a £1. How to maximise profit thoughts.

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As an update I bought this lovely lad for a £1.

He is not welsh parc ????

His lines are Brenin???

He was facing an uncertain future so I bought him and need to decide whether to advertise now as an unbacked 4yrs old or get him backed and then advertise him. What would be the difference in resale values either way help needed assuming he turns out to be a lovely allrounder, which I think he will.

I have my own place so don't have to factor in livery costs just general maintenance costs, feet, wormers, feed etc.

I am concerned he goes to a great home and the right home so am not after a quick buck to offload him.

Any thoughts as totally green when it comes to welshies.
 
Personally think you more likely to sell him if he is backed, you see an unbacked 4/5yo and think uh oh whats wrong with that then?!

You will also be able to find him a more suitable home as you will know what he is like under saddle, dont want to sell him to relatively novice people if he turns out to be quite difficult when ridden and them have him passed around.
 
Thats a good thought actually as although he's lovely to handle on the ground doesn't mean he'll be easy under saddle. Also it'll give us a gauge as to what he'll be like. At the moment I think he'll be very useful but of course he could be a donkey once ridden.

No signs of it but you never know.
 
Lightly back him and you will get more interest.
I personally don't mind buying something young and backing it but most people out there want a horse they can hop on and start the riding on part.
Just stress in your advert that he is lightly banked and therefore still very green! :)
 
Do you think most people who want allrounders want them established under saddle because they don't have the ability or desire to bring them on ?

Was wondering if getting him to a few shows and seeing a bit of the world would help his CV.
 
you could advertise him as he is,ie unbacked,if he sells within a couple of weeks then hes sold and thats that,otherwise get him backed and schooled, and adjust the advert accordingly. can you back him yourself and ride him for a while then sell next year? personally I would rather buy an unbacked youngster than one just backed. or a 5 yr old with a years work under its belt. just backing and doing no more seems a waste of time to me.
 
If no livery costs to pay up and he has a genuine nice temperament.....then I'd keep him if you are competant enough to do a good job backing and breaking him in, with the aim of schooling him on to maybe sell July time as a novice who's been backed, done a little bit of everything and maybe gone to a couple of local events and ready to be bought on in whatever sphere.

However. If there's anything with his temperament which would incline you to think he may be not quite genuine enough or maybe a bit quirky to be a worthwhile resale project, I'd put him up for 800 as he is now and get rid of him for a quick profit :)
 
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BBH said:
Do you think most people who want allrounders want them established under saddle because they don't have the ability or desire to bring them on ?

Was wondering if getting him to a few shows and seeing a bit of the world would help his CV.
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Definitely. I think one of the major issues will be that (assuming he's around 14.2???) it puts him into quite a limited market as most parents want schoolmasters for their children (rightly so). Small adults do also like the D's but may want to do ridden showing so he would need to be good quality for that market. Some 4/5 year olds can be happy hackers for the less experienced but these are few and far between IMO. However, good for you for taking him on.
 
Horsesforever1 said:
you could advertise him as he is,ie unbacked,if he sells within a couple of weeks then hes sold and thats that,otherwise get him backed and schooled, and adjust the advert accordingly. can you back him yourself and ride him for a while then sell next year? personally I would rather buy an unbacked youngster than one just backed. or a 5 yr old with a years work under its belt. just backing and doing no more seems a waste of time to me.
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I see what you're saying but if he's backed at least I can see if any prospective purchasers can handle him so could tweak out nervous novices etc. I really don't want him in the hands of someone with no clue etc etc. He's had that so this time around i'm determined to find him the right person.
 
Binky01 said:
If no livery costs to pay up and he has a genuine nice temperament.....then I'd keep him if you are competant enough to do a good job backing and breaking him in, with the aim of schooling him on to maybe sell July time as a novice who's been backed, done a little bit of everything and maybe gone to a couple of local events and ready to be bought on in whatever sphere.

However. If there's anything with his temperament which would incline you to think he may be not quite genuine enough or maybe a bit quirky to be a worthwhile resale project, I'd put him up for 800 as he is now and get rid of him for a quick profit :)
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LOL no there's nothing in his temperament which indicated he'll be quirky. I've heard D's can be bolshy but he's not at all from what I know of him.
 
I would start him - get him used to things but not school him much - if you can show people that he has seen and experianced things then this can only be to your benefit - I would also say that a few inhand classes at local level is a good idea

Good luck with him
 
Bit of a strange post, do you want to maximise profits, find him a very knowlegable backing home (who will more than likely break him and sell him on) or find a long term home?

If I were you, I would back him, get him hacking out alone and in company, start his jumping and take him out to a few small local shows and dressage over the winter. Come march next year he will be a different horse, be worth a bit of money and be ready to sell on as a green teenagers fun allrounder and hopefully you will have a bit of fun doing it too!

Just to ad, just because he's quiet now, it doesn't mean he'll stay that way, you dont know how he's been treated in the past and he might....all of a sudden...come out of his shell! And when he gets fit and in work he might also change.

Good luck, I wanna see a pic!
 
seadog said:
Bit of a strange post, do you want to maximise profits, find him a very knowlegable backing home (who will more than likely break him and sell him on) or find a long term home?

If I were you, I would back him, get him hacking out alone and in company, start his jumping and take him out to a few small local shows and dressage over the winter. Come march next year he will be a different horse, be worth a bit of money and be ready to sell on as a green teenagers fun allrounder and hopefully you will have a bit of fun doing it too!

Just to ad, just because he's quiet now, it doesn't mean he'll stay that way, you dont know how he's been treated in the past and he might....all of a sudden...come out of his shell! And when he gets fit and in work he might also change.

Good luck, I wanna see a pic!
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LOL it does sound a bit mercenary doesn't it.

The profit bit was really whether to advertise him now unbacked
for £x or spend out time and money to sell him further down the line for £x. So the differences between the two X's has to be worth the time and effort of keeping him longer and doing more with him. Either way a top home will be sought
 
Clannad48 said:
Do you know which 'Brenin' he is from?
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Just had a look at passport.

Sire - taffechan jack flash - Fronarth Wendy - Brenin Dafydd

Dam - Jayline Pandora - Nebo Daniel - Nebo Brenin - Parc Welsh Flyer

Other Brenins, Fronarths and Flyers in there but means nothing to me.
 
from what we've been told by a local welsh breeder and from gavering advice and opinion on here; Brenin is a good line.
My pony has nebo, frenin,derwen and brenin lines and apparently is very well bred and a good example of her breed.
So if you could upload a photo i'm sure the more experienced people on here could take a look and see if he'd do well showing wise?

*waits to be corrected about welsh lines by a welshie breeder*
 
Tazhazzamoose said:
from what we've been told by a local welsh breeder and from gavering advice and opinion on here; Brenin is a good line.
My pony has nebo, frenin,derwen and brenin lines and apparently is very well bred and a good example of her breed.
So if you could upload a photo i'm sure the more experienced people on here could take a look and see if he'd do well showing wise?

*waits to be corrected about welsh lines by a welshie breeder*
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Photo you're having a laugh. Wouldn't know how to :D

As for showing I have no interest in that as I think its very subjective, what one person likes the next doesn't. IMO its who you are and who you know that determines how well you do not necessarily the pony in front of the judge.

I will aim him at the RC market I think. He will mature about 15hh so a capable adult would be perfect.
 
I personally would back him and get him doing things regularly (loading, farrier etc.) then advertise. But obviously only if you are confident / experienced in doing so. If you have no experience then sell as is.
 
I would work out the costs on a spreadsheet. How much it'll cost you to back him (you don't say if you'd do this yourself?), feet, feeding, worming, insurance, yada yada for the X months longer you would keep him for if backing him, and look at the figure you could reasonably expect back at the end of it, compared to how much you could get for him now, without doing anything with him. Looking at it from a purely business point of view too, the longer you have him and the more you do with him the more likely it is that he will get an injury or disease before you sell him on.

Best of luck, whatever you decide :)
 
Be careful if you do back him, you might just find yourself getting hooked. Ds have a habit of doing that to you ;)
 
LOL I won't be backing him myself I do have someone i'll use to do it.

There is also close to zero chance of me wanting to keep him as I'm too busy tbh but for someone else he'll be fabulous.
 
BBH said:
LOL I won't be backing him myself I do have someone i'll use to do it.

There is also close to zero chance of me wanting to keep him as I'm too busy tbh but for someone else he'll be fabulous.
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In that case sell him unbacked if you are looking for max profit. You won't earn much once you have paid someone. If you look for someone who has had a Welsh D before then at least they know what they are taking on.

My friend has just lost her D aged 28 having owned him since he was 2. Someone like her would be perfect (I don't think she is looking yet though)
 
Snowysadude said:
Back him, take him out a few times and then give him to me ;)!! I could do with 1 fixed horse :p!! x
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You are funny. You bought a broken horse cos you went to Alcoholics Anonymous. I on the other hand am infinitely more sensible and thus I don't have a broken horse. I have learnt from your experience and ponio won't be going to him for backing either :D

When / if you get your money back i'll sell you J cos I know you'd look after him really well.

Foxy1 - i'll factor in the costs and see whats what but my preference is to get him backed properly so he learns something useful for life and no risk of fly by nights who think they'll do it at home with little or no experience.
 
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