ok so i called the stud again!........

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and........well she wasnt pregnant
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BUT has been covered again today!
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so heres hoping it 4th time lucky!! she was in season so it must be a nature season rather that jabbed in as she had 17 day scan on friday and vet not usually out over the weekend to do jabs etc! so havent had date yet for next scan but i'm going up with her new rug on sunday so will speak to karen and ask her when scan due! might just take her saddle and bridle and threaten her with being ridden and see if that makes her pregnant!!
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Country Top Dollar! i reackon when he sees the bay with the white star he quakes in his boots!!!
couple of photos so you can see him!!
in the flesh
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and 'borrowed' from the website hehehe
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what do you think!!!!
 
is ok!!
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last foal had 2 white socks and never got it!!!
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have shares in zinc and castor oil now!!!!
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not holding my breath that its a coloured as the few new foals i have seen have been solid colours with no white! the latest one that was coloured had coloured mum!!!
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Fingers crossed for you! Good Luck!

I hope the stud has done some investigations into why she hasn't taken the previous 3 attempts?? Mares that don't take first attempt here have a uterine swab (different to CEM), it checks for any naughty bacteria that could be knocking about, also are they checking she has ovulated after covering and checking she isn't pooling fluid or something. I just a little concerned that they are merrily taking your money and there maybe a simple reason why she hasn't taken!
 
will ask karen on sunday i know last time i asked they said there was no reason but i never thought to ask what they have done!! i know they scan them but again didnt ask how often! i deffo know they scan on arrival for where they are in their season, scanned every other day for optimum time then scanned 17 and 40 days!! other than that i dont know!!! guess i'm gonna have to ask karen a lot of questions on sunday!!! i know she is over rum with mares as they all seem to be having trouble getting them pregnant and staying pregnant!!
 
Good Luck.
Definitely ask if they have done a uterine swab, I have had some turn up some naughty bacteria and after treatment for it with a few days antibiotics in the uterus they took next cycle, also if its just mild bacteria they can treat the day after covering by a flush and some antibiotics, mares can get all sorts of bacterial infections, it only takes the stallion or mare not to have been cleaned thoroughly and abit of poo to get in there.
Also if they aren't checking the mares after covering for ovulation, she may not be ovulating in time after covering, also scanning after covering (usually the next day) will pick up if she has pooled any fluid that she may need flushing, antibiotics or oxytocin for.
Also if your mare hasn't taken, exactly how many mares are they covering a day with him because they might be running him abit thin on his semen quality if they are all getting natural coverings. If their is multiple mares its far better to collect off the stallion, split the dose and inseminate the mares that way you know each mare has recieved ample sperm with good motility. If they are covering everyone naturally, the first mare covered gets the best sperm and the rest are getting a lower concentrated semen as the stallion is being used before he had chance to replenish his stocks properly.
 
As usual, I totally agree with HG. What is going on at this stud? They really don't seem to be doing enough, or they're not giving you enough information.

Also, jabbing in at day 17... that's a bit strange. The CL would most likely have already started to regress at this stage, so the PG jab would probably have been a waste of time, and money. I hope they're not charging you too much, because it certainly doesn't sound like you're getting a very good service.
 
good luck. I've been following your posts and must say i really feel for you. But then again.....its horses. You cant expect any more from them, other than to be awkward! Especially mares.
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hi, Hopefully she has taken this time! My Mare is from the same lines as Top dollar, she is by Stetson, she is coloured and she has just had a coloured foal, (we think she may be homozygous!)
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Good luck!
 
thanks peeps!!
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will ask stud more info on sunday as was in work again when called!!
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and was quiet line
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! i think it was a natural season she had rather than being jabbed as 17 day scan was on the friday!(dont know if that makes what i posted any clearer!!
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) it doesnt cost me any more for jabs and scans thank god!!
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as paid for vets package that includes them!she did say something about scanning again on wednesday so i'm assuming that they are checking re the ovulation?
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dont think even though she is over run by mares that dollar is getting too worn out!
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as they have 7 of there own stallions and a few visiting!last time i was there most of the mares had different coloured tags on dollar has a white tag for his mares and didnt see too many of them!!
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not sure how many are being covered naturally as they AI there as well!i'm just hoping shes having to much fun at the mo
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rather than any probs as she will ruin his 100% fertility rate!!!
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but girl at our yard who has a foal out of lone ranger had the same with her mare last year and she was AI'd and she didnt take till august!
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hopefully with the weather improving it has helped her get her seasons sorted and she will be pregnant!
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shes going up to an ai clinic in gloucestershire, Meadow stud. Its late in the year, shes a maiden and we're using frozen, so odds are stacked against us, but we're gonna give it a go
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You mentioned a vet package at the stud, from what you have said in a couple of post on here and another thread you have given the impression you are paying one vet package for the whole stud season but vet packages are usually charged per cycle, so as this is her 4th attempt that means your paying for your fourth vet package (if its run like most studs) now, I would check this because you may get a nasty surprise on your bill or I have just read what you have written wrongly and you already knew this, if so sorry, I just don't like seeing people not getting the best service possible! It was a bad experience with a stud that made me buy my own stallions, so I see things from the stallion owner and the mare owner side of things.
 
I dunno bracken, their dates and everything seem odd and they may be lying about their conception rates. Not everyone is truthful, and apart from which, statistics can lie, my colt has 100% fertility but has only covered one mare..... if he had covered another but not got her in foal his fertility would then be halved. (the could say well he's had blah mares and 3 of blah didn't get in foal but it was there mare that was the problem not the stallion or our service etc etc). Surely if she was covered monday she's have been starting to come in on friday when she was scanned :s. Hope it works this time for you. I'd be asking some serious questions though. Seems odd that so many mares aren't getting in foal, esp with using diff stallions, they can'tall be duff or have duff mares.........
 
We suggest clients take advantage of the excellent value vet packages available form JB Johnson. These packages are optional, mares can still be billed on a per scan etc. basis.

ALL INCLUSIVE VETS PACKAGE :-

Mare swabbed at home £150
Mare swabbed at stud £170
The package covers all visits, routine stud work & ultrasound scans until your mare is in foal or the end of the current season. Investigation of chronic infertility problems, accident, illness or sedation are not included.(all vets fees are subject to VAT)

HG i stole this off the website!! so will be major peed off if they charge me again!!!!
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Hi NG they may very well be fibbing about the conception rates but will deffo ask on sunday! stole this off the website to!!
He has the most amazing fertitliy record, he has gained 100% Fertility both natural &
chilled A.I. EVERY YEAR (2004,2005,2006)
hoping they arent fibbing tho! as thats why i chose him and not Top Gun as he doesnt have any stats on the website!! i do agree the dates are a strange one tho!! wil ask her in person as i tend to be in work when i'm phoning and cant stay on the phone to long!!! hopefully i can clear up some things!!
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Thats very cheap vet package, I can't see how the vet could do it properly for that money! I would think they haven't bothered with looking into reasons for her not taking as it isn't included. My vet charges per cycle but it includes a uterine swab to check for bacteria, after inseminating flushes, oxytocin, ovuplant etc etc everything to optimise the mares chances of conception.
 
Also - those stats - even if it is a 100% conception rate - after how many attempts? If he's needed an average of 7 attempts to get a 100% conception rate, it's not a true 100% - these stats are so often unreliable, and misleading.

Thet vet package is ridiculously cheap. I would agree with HG - they can't be doing the best job for your mare at that price.
 
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Also - those stats - even if it is a 100% conception rate - after how many attempts? If he's needed an average of 7 attempts to get a 100% conception rate, it's not a true 100% - these stats are so often unreliable, and misleading.


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lol, yes forgot about that, I once went to a very interestining seminar at uni entitled 'lying with statistics' which examined how statistics can be used to make people think things are more or less likely than they are, and how data can be abused by negating to mention certain things or leaving undesirable things out.

Obviously I'm not accusing anyone, but somethings just dont add up right and they seem to be struggling with lots of mares. I think you're well within your rights to ask some serious questions. I'd have lost patience by now!
 
From the stud's website:

"We have just finished our busiest stud season yet with 158 mares in total. We had over 100 on site, out of which we only missed getting 1 mare in foal, an accomplishment we are extremely proud of! We also achieved over 95% fertitliy on offsite chilled semen A.I & 100% fertility on site A.I"

BH - it's only your mare than they missed... but hang on, haven't they just inseminated her again? But... if it is your mare that they missed - with onsite AI, then... it's not 100%...

This more I read about this stud and your experience with them, the more fishy it all seems.
 
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didn't BH say there were lots of mares there not in foal and the stud themselves said they'd had problems?!

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i know she is over rum with mares as they all seem to be having trouble getting them pregnant and staying pregnant!!

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