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dont venture in here much but have decided to look at putting my mare in foal. She is a lightweight TB mare. I am wanting something with nice action (more floaty than a TB who are obviously bred to race!).

I want an alrounder that is a bit special if that makes sense. I am wondering about ID's? Or cleverlands as I have met some with such charactors!

I love dressage and jumping so really not sure where to start looking? And something that will mature to 15.2 plus (she is 15.2 & dont want anything smaller). She is a NH horse out of Religiously- slightly compact in her back for a mare but then she is a bit dainty alround?... Any suggestions gladly accepted! Not sure if I have given enough info for anyone to advise though....
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I would suggest Cobra(Carthago Z X Langraf).We have three with another one on the way.All by Ish mares with TB backbreeding and thoroughbred mares.He was world champion and 2nd also in the World Championships.A feat no other stallion has achieved,and he is a Grand prix showjumper.Last years foal out a TB mare:
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HE is available through New Priory Stud.
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It would help to have a photo & full breeding. A good moving TB should not be overlooked. Being a pure bred you are spoilt for choice so it would be helpful to see the mare & know more about her breeding. My friend is in exactly the same situation with an ex race mare. I think they are looking at a full TB or perhaps breeding an AA but still undecided on what they want as the end result. Depending on your mare I might be tempted to stick to a good moving TB or go for an ISH, WB;s are very popular, but then again what is the budget because the skies the limit!
 
I have bred two ex NH mares to a welsh cob and have 3 stunning youngsters now. They are all going to be 16h give or take and just have that extra bit of bone about them. Here are pics of two out of different mares.
 
I saw a stallion online who i considered for my mare (decided theres no way i want to risk losing her so will buy foal) called Dun to Order. Hes a dun 16.2hh IDxTB i believe and is stunning.
Id definately recommend putting her to an ISH. I have a connemara x tb who has an incredible ability to turn her hoof to everything (for me!) and has done XC, SJ, workers, dressage (and affiliated), RC and alsorts. Shes laidback in the sense that she takes everything in her stride, never gets silly, and i know my next horse will have to be another Gem.

If you can find a biggish conny x tb stallion then id say youre on to a winner.

Btw, id avoid clevelands, the ones ive known have all had rather ikky sides to them (usually all liking to ditch their riders where possible!)
 
Dont normally do this, but I am seeing more & more of it "All by Ish mares " It is by a sire/stallion it is ex of a mare. If you think about it logically it comes out of a mare, given by a stallion!! Please dont take offence, it is not meant to belittle anyone in anyway, just seems to be on the increase. Cheers
 
I would also recommend Cobra. He has thrown some lovely stock.

Another decent all purpose stallion is Caretino Glory - he himself is a Grade A SJer but was the first ever Futurity Young Horse Champion. His sire was a GP Dressage stallion and his stock are now making names for themselves in all spheres. My friend's 2 yr old is by him and he was the PAVO yrling Eventing Champ in 2008.

I like the look of Dun to Order, however he did fail his grading last year/early this year and I would personally want to find out why first.

There are a lot of other decent stallions around out there and so it would really depend on some of your preferences to narrow it down as well as maybe a budget for stud fee, etc. Quainton stud has some stunning boys and there is also a newly imported WB stallion called Don Aqui who would make an excellent choice with a TB mare as he is a proven sire of eventers and dressage horses.
 
I'd personally go for either an Irish Draught of which Maurice Minor (stands at Embla near Stafford) would be my choice, or possibly to an Anglo Arab, of which I would choose Fairlyn Gemini (frozen only through Romarnic Stud)
Maurice would give you extra bone and he is an excellent getter of jumpers and eventers. This was my two year old by him out of a small Commanche Run mare. He has already been placed in his section eventing, hunted all last season and is being aimed at county level workers as well as progressing with eventing this year -
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Look on the website of the Cleveland Bay Horse Society if you are looking for a CB stallion. Not all stallions are 17hh giants there are some under 16hh. CBxTB makes a superb cross.

There is also a website for www.southernclevelandbayclub.co.uk with lots of stunning pics.

I have a recently backed CB stallion of 4 yrs old. Two French judges have been to see him in the past week to advise me re his training and competition in France. One rode him today. What has stunned them is that such a tall, big boned and young horse is so kind gentle and willing.
 
You really couldn't go far wrong with the RID stallion Avanti Amorous Archie. He is pure ID and has the movement ,jump, pressence and temperament to die for, he really is the entire package, we are using him on two mares this year one TB and one ID. I think I am correct in saying that in just over a year he has gained 99 BD points!! Rita jennings who owns him is one of the most helpfull stallion owners we have met, and we have met a few! Take a look at his website http://www.avantistud.com/
 
I'd put her to Miley.

He's little known, had very few mares to him yet he's managed to produce a HOYS winner in Masterpiece, an Advanced eventer in Briarlands Blackberry and a Grand Prix dressage horse in Wellington Masterplan!!! He was the leading British sire of GP dressage horses at the National Dressage Championships in 2008 and looks as if he'll achieve that again this year too.
 
We currently have 3 part bred cleveland x TB on our yard - 1 has just started eventing and the other 2 are being started but all 3 have lovely temperaments, good jumps and movements.

A Cleveland Stallion would certainly be worth looking at.
 
For a lightweight TB mare you will need to be cautious about the ID stallion you'd use (and it IS a great choice.) I would NOT go ISH stallion because chance are you'll get something as TB-like as her (the TB is VERY pre-potent!)

Archie would be a great choice because he's not TOO bulky - particularly around the shoulders! And he's available AI with great semen if that's the way you want to go. Natural cover with a big RID stallion could be a problem at covering - let alone at birth - my chap would squash your mare!

Maurice Minor is a very nice stallion but his foals are not able to be registered as IDSH in the UK - which would cut the foal out of some competition opportunities as he's not graded RID.

Have a look on the IDSH stallion list - http://www.idhsgb.com/web/staticpages/index.php/stallions - you'll find a good selection of graded/vetted stallions. I'm using Archie on some of my Raj daughters - have two on the floor this year and they're VERY nice.

Will also probably use Hillviewfarm Trevelyan, who impressed me a LOT at this year's grading (don't be worried by the fact he only shows as 15.1 - that was his height at grading as a young 3 year old - he WILL mature rather bigger.
 
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Maurice Minor is a very nice stallion but his foals are not able to be registered as IDSH in the UK - which would cut the foal out of some competition opportunities as he's not graded RID.



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Is that a new thing then Janet as I registered mine by Maurice with IDHS on their Sporthorse Register (G3SH) back in 04?
 
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Is that a new thing then Janet as I registered mine by Maurice with IDHS on their Sporthorse Register (G3SH) back in 04?

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Sorry - I wasn't very clear. They can be registered Grade 3 - but to my mind that's not worth the bother or the expense. They're not eligible for 'proper' IDSH competitions, they can't grade up, and if a filly - whatever you put her to - her progeny can only be Grade 3. My 2 colts are now Grade 2 - and a couple of people have enquired about using them - but I'm only keeping them entire because I believe they WILL grade when mature.

Maurice Minor is a very nice stallion and he didn't FAIL grading or vetting - he just was never put forward. But normally Grade 3 means they failed the vetting part of the grading - Grade 2's pass the vetting but fail the Inspection part for whatever reason.
 
I would recommend Cobra as well, but also at the same stud Iroko. He's really a no brainer as is stood in America with basically a TB mare base, producing some very very good horses.

Can you give us a better clue as to your mares pedigree. As in the who is her dam? I can look up her female family for you ect. Also conformation will tell you more of what you need when looking for a stallion. Just saying she's light doesn't give you much.

I have had very good reults in crossing a Broken Hearted mare with Tadmus and Padinus. Also had an Iroko filly, but sadly she died in a pasture accident.

Here is a clip of the Tadmus at the back end of her 2yo year - last year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cMLgCkfYkM

Terri
 
Can you give us a better clue as to your mares pedigree. As in the who is her dam? I can look up her female family for you ect. Also conformation will tell you more of what you need when looking for a stallion. Just saying she's light doesn't give you much.

Spot on Terri, you can not give an imformed view on a suitable stallion without knowing what the mare looks like & if possible her breeding. Sorry guys, but it is impossible, my god people struggle when they do have all the info in front of them.
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Gosh! Lots of suggestions! I have no idea how to post a picture.... The dam is copper dash out of copper gamble, her sire is religiously (usa) out of alleged. She is full sister to a horse called ashes to ashes.... I could send you an email with pic for a critical evaluation of her confo! and then perhaps you might like to recommend where she needs complementing. Or tell me she has the most horrendous confo & I should never breed from her!! well I hope not...
 
She has 2 full brothers both of which raced over fences according to Racing Post
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10548548
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10548545

Her dam is recored as having 14 offspring 10 named. Your mare is one that was not named, which is quiet common with race bred horses. It gives the 1st owner a chance to choose their own race name. I am still trying to understand how some horses carry on going unamed though.
 
Hello,

Your mare is from female family 8-k. She has a lot to like on pedigree with regards to sport horses. Some nice Teddy and Dark Ronald crosses in the female famlily.

http://www.pedigreequery.com/copper+dash

That's your mare's female family.

If you want to email me a pic here's the address:

racenjump@eircom.net

You have some decent lines there close up too so some conformation shots would help. But I think you have a good starting point.

Terri
 
If you look in photo gallery there are instructions on how to post a pic.

Alleged is a very interesting sire..somewhere in my pre-senile dementia memory I recall that Monty Roberts had something to do with his purchase as a yearling..the purchase was based on his confirmation. He was purchased unseen on the basis of this and should have been called 'Allegance to the Flag' after Monty's farm 'Flag is Up'.

He won the Arc with Piggot I think ..I am sure Magic will correct me if I am wrong.

Do post a pic.
 
Yes - If I remember correctly Alleged was bought as an incredibly uncerweight yearling on the basis that due to his poor condition they were able to see that he had literally textbook perfect conformation.
 
Terri I have emailed you a couple of pics as dont seem to be able to get a photobucket account.... Maybe you might be able to post them for me?
 
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