Ok the game's up I confess I am a child abuser

[Giles]

at least according to LACS - I've taken my children beagling fishing and encouraged one of them to take up fox and stag hunting by inculcating the 'killer instinct' I am abusing them.

http://www.league.org.uk/blogs_entry.aspx?id=425

If I am really abusing my children surely they should be taken away from their abusive nice middle class home and private school and put in care? After all their mental health is at risk. And surely the law should intervene not only for their own welfare but my own?

 

[Rosie Round The Hills]

My child hunts, he will shoot, and I suspect my hubbie will take him fishing too. He also eats sausages from our pigs that we name, scratch, talk to and slaughter, eggs from our hens, and meat from our unwanted cockerels. He will I hope grow up with an all-round understanding of how humans get their food.

It doesn't grow in polystyrene trays in the supermarket.
Farmers aren't there just to make the countryside pretty to walk in.
And the control of pests is part of managing our living breathing countryside.

 

[jenniaddams]

Really shouldn't have clicked the link...it makes me want to bang my head off a brick wall. The mind boggles.

Nice to be raised with a knowledge of where my food comes from. I would like to shoot my own meat...and I was raised by a mother who won't call chicken chicken because it makes her remember its come from a real live chicken!...she calls it oogly boogly. So obviously raising one way doesn't make you the same. I am an enthusiastic carnivore.

 

[Tinkerbee]

Well, I am a raging sociopath so clearly they're correct

 

[Giles]

Well, I am a raging sociopath so clearly they're correct

Well TB we clearly need yet more laws to curtail stuff you get up to in order to benefit your mental health!

 

[SusannaF]

By that definition I'd say anyone whose child is not a vegan is involved, somehow, in the abuse of children and the encouragement of animal slaughter, no?

http://stonehead.wordpress.com/2008/11/23/cant-you-have-pork-without-killing-the-pigs/

 

[sybil]

I have hunted since a very young age, have worked on various farms- one of which raises their own pigs for slaughter (yes even then ones that the locals named), I am certainly aware of exactly where my food comes from and I love it. Yet I am pretty sure the closest my mother has ever come to abusing me is taking a whip to my backside when I got a bit lippy! Clearly we are all wrong and are such dangerous individuals that we should be locked up and punished to the full extent of the law immediately. Best hand myself in before I even think about having kids then eh?

 

[solitairex]

Oh yes, my parents are sooo cruel carting me around for days on end in the pouring rain, spending out lots of money and helping me get my horse ready etc. all because they are SO mean!

 

[Giles]

Oh yes, my parents are sooo cruel carting me around for days on end in the pouring rain, spending out lots of money and helping me get my horse ready etc. all because they are SO mean!

Surely there is someone that believes taking a child hunting shooting or fishing is on a par with forcing them to have unconsensual sex. This is madness where are all the antis?

 

[JenHunt]

no... every child should know how the countryside works, where their food comes from, and should learn to be responsible for not just themselves but their pony and their friends as well. And most learn to drink sensibly too (though, obviously not to buy the drink... that would be illegal!)

I for one don't know any hunting children who've "gone off the rails" in their teen years.

 

[Paddydou]

By that definition I'd say anyone whose child is not a vegan is involved, somehow, in the abuse of children and the encouragement of animal slaughter, no?

http://stonehead.wordpress.com/2008/11/23/cant-you-have-pork-without-killing-the-pigs/

Actually... and I shall say this very quietly... I think there was a case many moons ago where a couple where charged with abuse because they forced their children to be vegans and the children ended up rather unwell... I could be wrong but I think they ended up going for a stretch and loosing the kids because they were a bit zelotty about it all...

I could be wrong but its in there somewhere with all the other gunk that clogs up my brain cells...

 

[VoR]

I think, just maybe, anyone who thinks taking their child hunting, shooting or fishing is child abuse does need to get real, surely there are one or two more important issues than this in terms of abusing/poor parenting of children!!??

I really do wonder about this country and the do-gooding, tree-hugging, anti-everything brigade it seems to spawn!

 

[SusannaF]

Actually... and I shall say this very quietly... I think there was a case many moons ago where a couple where charged with abuse because they forced their children to be vegans and the children ended up rather unwell... I could be wrong but I think they ended up going for a stretch and loosing the kids because they were a bit zelotty about it all...

I could be wrong but its in there somewhere with all the other gunk that clogs up my brain cells...

There's one in the papers just now – child was only breastfed (nothing else) and died of malnutrition. I think most vegans are a bit smarter than those parents!

 

[jsr]

I'm a life long vegetarian, bought up as one and continued to make the choice to not eat meat. My parents made sure I knew exactly where meat came from, what the animal went through in order to get on someone's plate and we witnessed first hand the slaughter process. We raised and kept our own chickens and even as a very small child I knew the right way to handle and care for animals.

Where I differ from alot of strict vegetarians is I think every single child should be educated to understand (ok maybe not see actual slaughter) where meat comes from and therefore I completely agree with those of you who are teaching your children to hunt for their own food. If a child understands the connection between the animal and food it's all for the good surely?

I abhor seeing children sitting in fast food places stuffing burgers and bits of processed crap that is called 'chicken' down their gullets now to me that's child abuse.

 

[Daddy_Long_Legs]

Actually... and I shall say this very quietly... I think there was a case many moons ago where a couple where charged with abuse because they forced their children to be vegans and the children ended up rather unwell... I could be wrong but I think they ended up going for a stretch and loosing the kids because they were a bit zelotty about it all...

I could be wrong but its in there somewhere with all the other gunk that clogs up my brain cells...

I think that was in the states? A vegan couple had their child taken off them because he nearly died of malnutriion. They were given plenty of warnings but I don't actually know if they did time for it.

Obviously my parents were terrible abusers as I was encouraged to shoot fish and hunt from an early age. I must go a seek free counselling......

 

[Scranny_Ann]

The mind boggles indeed!

I have grown up around fishing, hunting, gamekeeping, horses, working dogs, working terriers etc. I shoot game, vermin etc. I eat any meat put on my plate; rabbit, deer, partridge, pheasant, duck, pigeon etc.

Therefore, to answer your question, no i do not feel like an abused child; I feel privileged to have grown up with this way of life and i'm pleased i'm not a mindless chav who thinks venison is a breed of dog!!

 

[millreef]

Please don't hate me.... BUT, I think that putting a poll about hunting on the horse and hound online forum in the Hunting forum then you're hardly going to get a stratified sample..... Like I said, please don't hate me

 

[Spudlet]

Sometimes, small persons came out on the shoot I went to last year. They all had excellent hats (the day-glo one that one young lady was sporting was much appreciated when I go sent off all on my own on my first ever drive and didn't know where I was going, I just aimed for the flourescent orange spot in the hedge!) and were generally very nice, which coming from me is frankly amazing cos I'm generally allergic to anyone I'm not related to below the age of 16 Some of them followed me about on drives, which showed their youthful inexperience as I was generally hopelessly lost and was just following the noise all the other beaters were making

IMO, these children were learning valuable lessons about where their food came from. Some of them had a shot with an air-rifle at the end of the day, under adult supervision - so they learned that firearms are not toys, and how to ne responsible with them. Some adults could do with learning that as well!

As my own mum said when I had prepared and cooked my first ever brace of pheasants for the family, that dinner had more integrity than anything you could buy in the supermarket. I knew just where it had come from, how the birds had lived and how they had died too. (Even if hanging them in the shed without telling my step-dad was a mistake, since he walked into them in the dark when looking for something else, and nearly had a heart attack). I think young people could do a lot worse than learn that as well (not about booby-trapping the shed, about eating with integrity and respect for the animal that is your dinner).

So, all that waffle equates to - what a load of codswallop, child abuse indeed, good grief, never heard such rubbish

 

[Paddydou]

There's one in the papers just now – child was only breastfed (nothing else) and died of malnutrition. I think most vegans are a bit smarter than those parents!

Do not start me off on breast feeding. Just seen on Yahoo an article about a new breast feeding doll... In my humble opinion so very wrong on so many levels...

Most vegans I know are pretty intelligent people but they also don't force their ideas on others...

To be honest I think all of this is basically a lack of education and understanding about food in general. Again I bleat on about this so much it must get boring to listen to!

 

[SusannaF]

Do not start me off on breast feeding. Just seen on Yahoo an article about a new breast feeding doll... In my humble opinion so very wrong on so many levels...

Most vegans I know are pretty intelligent people but they also don't force their ideas on others...

To be honest I think all of this is basically a lack of education and understanding about food in general. Again I bleat on about this so much it must get boring to listen to!

Did you see the link on my first post on page one? Meat eaters without a clue... Astonishing.

And yes, the breastfeeding thing is nutty too. Nothing wrong with doing it, but the insistence that it's the ONLY way is mad. I was once on an online discussion where a woman started talking about "lost generations" of British babies who had been bottlefed. When I commented about how sanitation, vaccination and fridges had contributed more to infant survival rates, and how millions of British babies didn't die from being bottlefed, she oddly vanished...

 

[EAST KENT]

Perhaps then it is child abuse for parents to let them sit watching films of lions throttling Zebras ??

 

[Spudlet]

Perhaps then it is child abuse for parents to let them sit watching films of lions throttling Zebras ??

Yes, but we are only thinking like this because we are Damaged and Coarsened

 

[JanetGeorge]

Actually... and I shall say this very quietly... I think there was a case many moons ago where a couple where charged with abuse because they forced their children to be vegans and the children ended up rather unwell...

A French couple who are vegans are in court this week in relation to the death of their 11 month old daughter - "neglect or food deprivation followed by death". They face up to 30 years in prison if convicted.

She was fed ONLY on breast milk and - possibly due to her mother's diet - suffered a severe B12 deficiency (amongst other problems.)

 

[Giles]

Please don't hate me.... BUT, I think that putting a poll about hunting on the horse and hound online forum in the Hunting forum then you're hardly going to get a stratified sample..... Like I said, please don't hate me

I was not thinking it would be a representative sample of the UK population

 

[Fii]

Obviously my parents were terrible abusers as I was encouraged to shoot fish and hunt from an early age. I must go a seek free counselling......

Bit of overkill, shooting fish.

 

[EAST KENT]

Oh,but in my current read ,about Dame Edith Sitwell, there is an uncle who invented a tiny pistol to shoot wasps! That`s m` Boy!!

 

[Simsar]

Oh **** so getting Max my poor poor son to cut a throat on a deer and hang it was wrong never mind! He was 7!

 

[aidybex]

Oh dear - I'd best ring childline as my daughter gets very excited about our chicken culls when they are old or excess cockrels. She also enjoys eating them!

She experienced her first season of mounted fox hunting this season and throughly enjoyed herself............

Oh.....and I have spent 2 days this week being trained on the Impact of Neglect on Children. Being exposed to blood sports didn't get mentioned once to be honest

*toodles off to get notes out just to make sure I didn't miss it - LOL*

 

[SusannaF]

A school in Germany decided to show children how a rabbit would have been killed by Stone Age hunters... Much ado ensued:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,754363,00.html

 

[madeleine1]

i dont hunt, or fish or shoot

ok so i eat meet but thats it

however i think that article is competely fowl and i dont no how the writer justifies themselves.

it is pure opinion based on the social factors that they have been exposed to and its horendous that people are allowed to write propaganda like this on an offical website