OK - who hates parelli?

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Sorry - feeling contentious at the mo
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I don't hate parelli as basic principles are good horsemanship

I do though hate the commercialism of NH/IH/Parelli in general and the seemingly 'strict rules' (since when does every horse follow the same behavioural rule book
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*runs out ducking for cover before the proper debate starts*
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I don’t hate Parelli, but it does seem to attract a bizarre cult like following………………………………………….If I ever feel the need to bounce a big ball on a horse or whilst riding, then I may consider taking it up!!!!
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I don't hate it. If i's what somebody wants to do with their horse, and they have the right equipment then that's perfectly fine by me. If it was the only way to help a horse who was traumatised/other issues, then I would certainly consider it.
 
Hey, I grew up on a hunting yard, I'm a proper monster, parelli couldn't possibly make any less sense to me, its like people choosing plain digestives instead of the chocolate coated ones
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I don't like it - I've never seen the point of it
where is the point of making your horse sit/lay on command? (Is that P or is it some other 'Natural Horsemanship' thing?)

Most of my knowledge of it comes from reading Fugly and watching videos on YT of people doing it and to me it just looks like a load of crap.
It probably started out with good intentions but really now it just seems like a way to get money and con people into buying expensive things to have a more 'natural' relationship with your horse, Like fugly pointed out Here it just looked like a way to make money by conning people out of $250 when something already does the same thing for $10.
 
I cant say i hate it, its not something that i felt i ve needed to get into but i must admit alot of older ladies are into it on the livery yard where i keep mine and it seems they are quite nervous of riding or hardly ever ride but seem quite keen in this waving a stick around with a horse on the end of a rather long rope. Hope i havnt offended anyone, like someone else said its really whatever rocks your boat.
 
What i hate is when people see it and start doing on their horse totally untrained to do it. It causes huge problems.
I am very open minded but what i have seen of Parelli it is not for me or our horses.
I am a quiet person but i was watching someone doing Parelli with their horse, i was watching out of interest. My blood boiled as they had the poor horse terrified.
I don't know enough of it to say i hate it but what i have seen by people locally i wish they would stop.
 
I'm one of the few on my yard who doesn't do Parelli.

I have watched the dvd's and I like some of the theories but some of it makes me cringe.

I am always open to new things so would never rule it out but I feel I get on just fine with my horse at the moment so don't need to tinker with our relationship.
I like some of the psychology aspects such as horses invading your space etc. It is common sense but sometimes I need things pointed out to me haha.
Mum does the exercises with her horse but only really because her TB is retired with navicular so it's great in that it gives them something to do together. For her it's just for fun.

The thing I really don't like about it is the cultish aspect.
I am open minded enough to watch the dvds and use bits of it if I see the advantages but some of the followers are not open minded enough to realise that there are loads of other ways - not just Parelli!
I am sometimes made to feel that, yes I am doing fine, but I could do SO much better if I also did some Parelli.
 
I don't hate it as such. Some of the principles are sound but others aren't. When i was younger i brought into it believing it would give me a better relationship with my horse. However the result i got was totally different. Even at the sight of that huge stick, even if it was knowwhere near her my poor horse looked absolutly terrified, having we presumed been hit before she came to us. If anything it set us back months, having made good progress earning her trust. We ditched that idea pretty quickly.

I have found Monty Roberts methods much more valuable and productive. After seeing him do three demos in my area and buying his book "From my hands to yours" i attempted join up with her and it worked. She follows me around the field and our relationship is better for it. She is no longer this scared little quivvering wreck like she was, she trusts me and knows that i wont do anything to harm her.

I hope i haven't offended any avid Parelli followers but this is just my experience.
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I don't hate what it does on the whole as its just common sense however I do hate all the commercialized BS that goes with it, You don't need an orange stick and 20ft of special magic rope.

And if you listen to most knowledgeable horse people they use this but its called training or bringing on your horse
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I was put off when I saw that picture of Pat Parelli making a 7 month foal jump over a log the same size as it...And the price tag.

I use intelligent horsemanship (Kelly Marks/Monty Roberts) as my ponio can be very difficult, she's very dominant and it means I can establish a leadership over her, and I understand all the principles whereas with Parelli I just don't get some of it.
 
Why bother hating it? Just live and let live. I'm not at all impressed by Kelly Marks, but I don't hate her or her methods and I accept that some think it's great. Each to their own?
 
I know i am about to inflame the debate but i prefer Monty Roberts.
I have worked with 'problem horses' for years.
We take in psychologicaly affected horses.[We are are a charity]
I was asked if we had one suitable for a demo last year.
We took one along but she was not chosen.
What shocked me was that i have used much the same tactics myself for years - the body language.
I have never tried join up and can't see me doing so. I take longer with our horses as they are normally in such a distressed state when they come to us.
I thoroughly enjoyed the whole day and my talk with Monty and Kelly. Monty gave me the biggest compliment i could have and told me i was doing all the right things and to carry on myself.
The horse i took has now turned a corner.
People often asked me if i was horse whisperer, i always replied and still do "No i am a horse listener"
All horses are different in a way. All you need is to 'listen' and watch.
On a monetry note Monty wants to make horses lives better and he is a big supporter of charites.
We have a resident from a natural horsemanship yard.
Its owner paid 17 thousand pounds to the yard and the horse was no better - she was going to be shot!
We took her in and she is one of our best behaved most level minded horses! She has been allowed to be a horse.
Just be wary of people jumping on the band wagon. The yard was not a Monty Roberts Assocoate or recommended yard. They did not have a clue to be honest.
 
p.s. It is possible to "join up" with a horse really effectively by doing some simple groundwork on-line. I think it's kinder that way as well, as it doesn't involve chasing a horse away and, particularly if it's a perfectly ordinary domestic horse, confusing the heck out of it and worrying it into submission. I suppose one thing about good NH trainers is that they teach that basic groundwork from the start.
 
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We have a resident from a natural horsemanship yard.
Its owner paid 17 thousand pounds to the yard and the horse was no better - she was going to be shot!


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Well, the owner is an idiot then. Are you saying it was a yard with a Parelli accredited professional in residence? What sort of "natural horsemanship" yard was it? As in everything, there are a lot of wannabees in the natural horsemanship world, you can say you are anything you like, it doesn't mean that you are.
I think Monty Roberts has done great things for the "cause", and I think it's great that people find his teaching useful. I can't get over what certainly seems to be his dishonesty. For example, he clearly didn't go and study wild horses and develop "Join Up". He was too young, nobody who was supposed to be with him remembered going, and in his latest list of companions - nobody was old enough to drive! He was at school, where he had an excellent attendance record. He probably got the Join Up idea from his dad - it's clearly described in Marvin Roberts book - Horse and Horseman training, which was written in the late 1930's. (I really know about cans and worms!).
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Quite simply I dont care - so long as a horse is happy and healthy I couldn't care less what people do with their horses. I have better things to concern myself with, like indeed plain digestives Miss Pimms!! *winks*
Well they are good dipped in tea!!!
 
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Well, the owner is an idiot then. Are you saying it was a yard with a Parelli accredited professional in residence? What sort of "natural horsemanship" yard was it?

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It was a livery yard which advertises as being a Natural Horsemanship yard.
No there was not an acredited professional in residence.
The owner was not an idiot but was taken for one. The owner asked us to take the horse in against what the yard wanted - the horse shot!
It goes to show when useing people that call themselves something they realy do need checking out.
I am the worst for it, i trust everyone!
 
Don't really understand what it involves, but have seen a local lady hacking out and 'doing parelli' in her rope halter, and she just seems to slob along the road, sitting wonky and on a very well behaved steady horse - please correct me if this isn't what 'parelli' is.
Agree with people along the Monty Roberts etc route seem to make more sense, but then (IMHO!) if you know anything about body language, animal behaviour and the way a herd works then its not rocket science! (Evolution of Horses by Stephen Budiansky is a good read) Don't mean to sound like a know it all or anything, but I've known for a while that sitting in a field ignoring the horses whilst eating polos is the sure fire way to get attention from them!
 
I don't 'hate' it, in fact I dabbled in it when I had a pony on loan, when I was younger. I was about 14 and it didn't take me long to figure out it was rollocks.

I think nothing beats a good instructor, actually. I don't see why some people balk at the idea of paying £20-£30, even just once a month, for a good instructor, but will happily spend literally £100s on all those DVDs, carrot sticks etc.

I think if used in the right hands - like anything - it could probably be really good. However, it is targetted at novice and naive horse owners who overhorse themselves and are looking desparately for the answer to their problems.
 
I really don't see the point of parralli. It seems to go along with this american idea of breaking/making horses work far too young and doing totally irrelivant tasks. I do happen to like monty roberts method but, with the exception of the acctual process of join up, its all common sence i.e. you have a horse that wont load= teach it to lead propperly and try to regain its trust. I happen to know someoen who is related to kelly marks and she has said that half of the cases she recives are parralli horses gone wrong. For example headshie after having sticks waved at their head and ropes with weights under the horses chin flicked at them. Plus paralli is rediculously expensive!
 
Its typical 'american'marketing of something that is not new but given a jazzed up image and 'sold' to people as this great thing and if you dont practice it then you are some kind of monster and have no feling or understanding. I am afraid it goes for all of them , Monty Roberts included.
None of them 'invented 'this. I was taught many of the principles of how to effectively 'speak' horse by an 'old boy' who lived in my village and worked on the land with shires from the time he was a tot. all the body language etc i have used and and it has helped me produce some very difficult horses because they wanted to work with me. Probably one reason i do well with stallions.
I think the need for it has come about from the rise in horse ownership but not the rise in horsemen and women that have had exposure to the old and experienced country folk the i had.
The pony club used to be heavily involved with ex military , often calvary officers , same for the Mastership of hunts and this wealth of experience from working with horses lead to an understanding that is all but lost.
In todays society it has to be packaged and given a name and if you dont use it then you are the one that is the problem.
Rather' emperors new clothes like to me.....
I really dislike it i dislike the attitude of those that practice it . I think the true basis behind it has existed for hundreds even thousands of years... i think you#ll find the native Americans knew about it long before carrot sticks..... Bo**ocks springs to mind.
Oh and by the way i could not have a happier bunch of horses who work to an incredible standard with the happy involvement of the owners. Dont need to wave things at them to get the results i need.
 
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I do though hate the commercialism of NH/IH/Parelli in general and the seemingly 'strict rules' (since when does every horse follow the same behavioural rule book
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Totally agree, I have aready said on a previous post Parelli remind me Scientology very cult like.

I do enjoy some aspects of NH but I don't know its common sense I am using, rather than labelling it with a NH tag.
 
Im not a fan really. For me, its the ridden rubbish that Linda Parelli preeches about that I really hate as its just fundamentally incorrect for the horse
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The games on the ground? Meh
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Think theyre all a bit pointless really.

Alarm bells for me generally ring with Parelli though as it attracts people who are just too damn scared to get on and ride and so, revert to these weird ass games to help them bond and build confidence in other ways (of course, its the horse getting blamed at this point ;p).

I think most of the time, people would be better spending their money on a decent riding instructor.
 
Don't hate them. Think they are incredibly smug and very very commercialized.Interestingly some of the mags are beginning to push parelli.I wonder why?Some of the things like balls do make sense. According to the book Bombproofing your horse written by an American mounted bobby, they get horses uses to having things thrown at them by starting off throwingwith small soft balls at the horses.
 
Overpriced common sense IMO.

NH has it's place and I've used some NH bits and pieces myself but Parelli is just.........Bollocks really.
 
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