OMG horrific! How revoltingly greedy some people are

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I am a regular reader of the Fugly horse of the Day Blog (http://fuglyhorseoftheday.blogspot.com/) and she wrote about this story of some Americans breeding 'one last foal' from this mare who had suffered from dropped pasterns during her last pregnancy. They were so desperate to breed her even though there was a risk of it happening again.

I have to warn you this really is horrible, but I cannot believe just how greedy these people are. Although they attempt to justify their actions, I just find it so utterly appalling that this mare suffered just because they wanted another foal. Why they couldn't just leave her alone I do not understand.

http://web.archive.org/web/20050307221112/www.mayvalley.com/miracle/miracle_.htm
 
that is horrific. I cannot believe they even took the chance of breeding form her again - what quality of life has she got now? and her legs and feet, good god. I am so angry that they have posted this on the internet as way of showing how kind they were and making excuses as well. There is no explanation for some people.
 
that is horrific that poor mare
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, it made me come up in goosebumps reading of all the problems she had and yet they insisted in letting her suffer some more,
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absolutely disgusted that there are people around like that i could never do that with any of mine its just not right
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That actually made me feel physically sick to read the torture those ignorant selfish people put their horse through out of pure greed. People like that should not be allowed to keep horses.
 
I think you all need to read the website properly.

They took all the advice that they could from vets, trawled the internet etc and they were told it would be OK to breed from her.

They say that they wish they had never done it and have made the website to warn other owners of the dangers of dropped pasterns

Those of us who care for horses on a daily basis or who make a living from their efforts, know the extreme distress of not being able to help an ill or injured horse. Hindsight is always 20/20 and, had we known all the details of what was to follow, we never would have bred Tui a fourth time. We consulted the experts, researched on our own, relied on our past experience; but we recognize we're only human and can only do the best we can.

Tui's story is presented not for its shock value, but to help other mare owners evaluate their own situations. There is very little information about dropped pasterns in broodmares, much of it conjecture and speculation. Talk to your veterinarian. Read as much about the condition as you can.
 
Ditto.
I thought it was a great shame for the mare, but since they have paid approx $7,000 in vets fees on tha mare alone, I can't see how they are being greedy.
 
I must say, I agree with DD. I read the site and they put her back into foal with the vets advice, at no point did I see that it could be a way of being greedy.

Although I must say, I would have had the mare PTS before it got to such a horrendous stage...but I don't know anything about breeding so don't know what way they could abort the foal etc
 
I read the website properly and I still believe that what they did to that mare was horrific. For me there is no excuses simple as that. Whether or not they sought advice from vets, the internet or whatever else is no excuse.
It was cruel and unjustified breeding in my opinion.
Whilst they did try to make the mare comfortable throughout her ordeal she should not have been bred from at all in my opinion. To try and mince words about potentially losing the foal and stating that in doing so would mean that the mare would have suffered in vain is just pathetic.
They already had foals from this mare including one from the same pairing between the mare and a coloured stallion.
Yes this story may be a lesson for us all but on the other hand do you really think that many breeders would be put off risking their mares by reading such an article?
I doubt that very much.
Responsible breeders who care equally about their mares as they do their offspring would not have even contemplated a mating and a further pregnancy based on the 'dropped pasterns' she had suffered during her third pregnancy.
Based on information they had collected from vets etc they may have reached the conclusion that the risks to the mare were minimal however from my own personal point of view I would not have taken that risk.
Whilst the posting ( from the breeder) may have been informative. I personally found it upsetting, shocking and truly believe that this mare suffered and died in vain as I doubt very much the reporting of her situation would do little to change the minds of breeders faced with a similar situation.
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I can understand them putting her in foal with the blessing of their vet, but its what happened after she dropped further that is horrible. Surely a horse who is in complete agony on 3 of its 4 legs would be better off being PTS? Ok, she was 9 months gestation, but living like she did for a further 6 weeks is inexcusable. its a shame that they would have lost the foal, but the foal wouldn't have suffered, the mare CERTAINLY did.
 
"Surely a horse who is in complete agony on 3 of its 4 legs would be better off being PTS? Ok, she was 9 months gestation, but living like she did for a further 6 weeks is inexcusable. its a shame that they would have lost the foal, but the foal wouldn't have suffered, the mare CERTAINLY did. "

My thoughts entirely cruelty for the sake of procreation sorry but the result did not justify the means.
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I've mixed feelings about this, but I AM speaking as an almost complete novice in breeding. The owners of the mare got the go ahead from 2 vets to breed from her and they did. The results were catastrophic and now they're warning others about what could happen, especially as (as they say) there is so little information on dropped pasterns available. Is this true btw?
Yes, they made the wrong decision and it all ended horrifically, but I'm not convinced this was a genuine act of cruelty.
If I'd been in their shoes I don't think I'd've put PF down in her 9th month of gestation either...
Perhaps I'm completely missing the point?
 
I do agree with you DD; yes they apparently took advice from decent vets, and they had history with the mare, thinking that this pregnancy would be no different from any of her other pregnancies, sadly that was not to be. Yes they were silly to go for another one, actually the first pregnancy where her pasterns dropped, should have been her last. Silly, ignorant people, but not sure if they actually went out there to inflict cruelty to their mare, no matter how horrific it turned out.

None of us know how our horses will take to being pregnant - my Golden mare suffered during her pregnancy and I for one was very glad when the foal eventually came out, and thankfully was 3 weeks early. No Golden will not be bred again, however after having 4 foals in her life, I was not to know that she came up lame at around 5 months in.

As for those claiming they would have put the mare down when she became bad at 9 months pregnant......really? You would have killed an almost full term foal? A foal that you can see kicking and bumping about inside it's mother? No I could never have killed it and if you REALLY think about it, I very much doubt any of you would have either. I believe they were stuck between the devil and the deep blue sea here - no choice would have been easy to make, sad as that may be.
 
I agree with Tia that it would have been a very difficult decision to make, but I think I would have had the mare and foal PTS. Looking at the extensive care both mare and foal had, I don't think you can say that they were motivated by greed though. I think they made a mistake, but not a greedy one.
 
At nine months they had to put her in a sling. It was far earlier on than that that the mare began to display signs that she was going downhill. The worse she got, the more they upped to pain relief, the more she hobbled and struggled the more they upped her pain relief.

it would seem to me that it would have been pretty obvious to all involved a hell of a lot earlier than 9 months that this mare was going to seriously suffer. Action should have been taken then. To put an animal/ friend that you profess to love for this is to say the least cruel and profiteering.

i agree that the did not know when they embarked on the venture what would happen. But they bloody well knew early enough in the pregnancy to be able to prevent what happens.

Stands to reason that if she suffered from it before, and only partly recovered afterwards, then it would a lot worse the second time round!!!
 
i dont understand why they took the shoes off so early this is part of the reason she suffered so much as the shoes seemed to help, i also do not understand y they went ahead as they said themselves that the dropping pasterns would reoccur in another pregnancy so surely they wouldnt want to inflict that pain again????? i know i wouldnt, the foal suffered to as it was premature and struggled in the first few weeks. i can honestly say i would have pts the mare as the mares health and wellbeing comes well before the unborn foals while she is carrying it and giving birth to it. if i had to chose between the life of my mare and the life of the unborn foal the mare would come tops everytime, not sure if others will agree???????
 
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