One stud hole per shoe?

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Now, Sparky only has one stud hold on the outside of each shoe. I was talking to madgirl earlier whilst buying studs, and she raised the point that some poeple think it can make the horse pivot. Now I had thought of this before, but thought nothing more of it. What do you think and is it safe - I am slightly worried now
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Ive always used one stud hole - my farriers have both been of the oppinion that if the foot is fixed to the ground and the horses body need to swivel/turn to next fence/ pivot/Move! then something in the middle has to give/snap...
And in the middle there are tendons, bones, hips, fetlocks and knees - I would rather the foot pivoted opposed to bit of horse breaking...
Just my theory - I know everyone likes different things when it comes to studs!!
 
She just means that with one stud hole it can help a horse turn on it's back legs. Think what it is like in a jump off and you land and turn sharp, a horse needs to pivot on it's back legs. I only have one in each of the back.
 
Most farriers recommend one stud per foot tbh. A horses gait naturally incurs a slight twist on impact anyway and two studs prevents that from happenning...it also increases concussion which isn't good.

That said I use two in the hinds for extra grip...but just the one much smaller stud in the outside of the fronts
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the arguemant is that if you have two stud holes the foot hits the ground square with the weight correctly distributed. my argument is that if you stud up correctly for the going the stud should pierce the ground with little effort (like a stiletto heel) and therefore the foot itself does hit teh ground square.
i agree about the hind foot pivot thing, especially for show jumpers and another point is that a front foot needs to slip very slightly when landing over a fence to bring the frog and therfore shock asorbing properly into play.
As it happens i barely use anything bigger than a road stud in front, particularly dislike the pointy inside stud idea cos of risk of injury but is you are going to use different studs in each hole surely you are unbalancing teh foot again?
Horses that i have personally studded up (i.e. without influence from ythe rider) have jumped round Badminton burgley, countless one days and showjumped internationally so there cant be too much wrong as been no leg trouble lost shoes or any of teh other drame i asociate with large amounts of probably over large studs.
 
FWIW the traditional farriers' view on this is slightly outdated, as gait analysis has shown that in fact horses don't pivot their hooves on the ground as they turn anyway, they turn by altering the direction of their stride pattern: it's a good theory but it just isn't true! There was a discussion about this at a recent farrier/BEVA conference, and the farrier from the RCVS spoke on this subject (apparently - I wasn't there but have spoken to someone who was). Lucretia is dead right about the importance of studding evenly in front, and also about the need for a horse's foot to slip slightly as it lands over a fence to decrease the enormous pressure on the forelimbs as they take the full weight of the horse landing. THat's why you should NEVER over-stud in front, but you should use studs on both sides of the front shoes to prevent any twisting action as the horse lands - if you use only one stud, the danger is that one side of the foot slides more than the other, causing a twisting action on the limb, which really is in danger of causing soft tissue injuries higher up. Behind, there are pros and cons: two studs gives more even grip but does have the risk of the horse catching itself with the inside stud on the other limb (this is far more common behind than in front); one stud removes this risk but grip is less even. Personally, I would tend to use two identical studs, but smallish, in front, and behind use a larger stud on the outside and a road stud or similar on the inside. But the whole stud thing always gets people going and I'm sure someone on here will shoot me down in flames!!
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Not me. Thats exactely what my very experience farrier told me.
 
I've been using 8 studs in my horses feet for 18 months, he has never injured himself in that time, so for me 8 is fine as I like to think the feet are even and want to give best possible grip.

Maybe that's a bad idea, it looks like most people don't put 8 studs in
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FWIW the traditional farriers' view on this is slightly outdated, as gait analysis has shown that in fact horses don't pivot their hooves on the ground as they turn anyway, they turn by altering the direction of their stride pattern: it's a good theory but it just isn't true! There was a discussion about this at a recent farrier/BEVA conference, and the farrier from the RCVS spoke on this subject (apparently - I wasn't there but have spoken to someone who was). Lucretia is dead right about the importance of studding evenly in front, and also about the need for a horse's foot to slip slightly as it lands over a fence to decrease the enormous pressure on the forelimbs as they take the full weight of the horse landing. THat's why you should NEVER over-stud in front, but you should use studs on both sides of the front shoes to prevent any twisting action as the horse lands - if you use only one stud, the danger is that one side of the foot slides more than the other, causing a twisting action on the limb, which really is in danger of causing soft tissue injuries higher up. Behind, there are pros and cons: two studs gives more even grip but does have the risk of the horse catching itself with the inside stud on the other limb (this is far more common behind than in front); one stud removes this risk but grip is less even. Personally, I would tend to use two identical studs, but smallish, in front, and behind use a larger stud on the outside and a road stud or similar on the inside.

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Wot she said, or similar, only less eloquently
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My daughter's show jump trainer rides for GB & also trains many eventers in the show jumping element on thier discipline. She always has 2 studs in each shoe & the majority of pro riders have the same. I certainly wouldn't disagree with them.
 
This is one of those topics where there just isn't a right or wrong answer. There's arguments for every corner (and it would have to be a dodecahedron, there are so many corners!) So it comes down to personal preference, what is right for your horse etc.

For the record, I think what TableDancer wrote makes a lot of sense. Also I am a great believer in not over-studding, ie only use what you really need. It seems that lots of people stud because they think they should and not because their horse, or the ground they're competing on dictates it.

Personally I only stud if I have to - would much rather not if possible so if the going is great I don't bother. And currently I only use one in each hind anyway (only doing Intro/PN though). This is based on the fact that the only slip we've ever had was behind, going round a corner. If I thought I needed more I'd probably go with the 2 in front, one behind camp. Mainly because my horse is very close behind so I'd be worried about her injuring herself and also the pivoting argument.
 
Hi there,

new to the forum and studding is a very immotive subject. I think the smaller the better. I have always had 2 in front and have varied between 1 and 2 behind depending on the horses way of going and the type of shoe (sorry to add another variable!!) but concave seem to afford more grip than natural balance shoes for example. Certainly stud for the going, the horse and the shoes.........if in doubt go smaller!!
 
Table dancer, you put it in a very good nutshell!

I used to use 1 in each foot but he twisted his fetlock and was off for a while. I'm using 2 in the front and one in the back. I have witnessed horrible accidents with the horse catching its self on the inside on the back, almost slicing its tendon.

Its really whatever works for each horse. Studs are a thing which you really have to make your own judgement on, considering your horse and the gound.
 
that new website horseheros has a video on studding and they advocate (well pippa funnells ex groom) small in front (2) and larger in back but only on outside. Apparently can cause so much injury having them in inside backs and supreme rock had a nasty injury once and Pippa never had them on inside backs ever again. Was very imformative i thought. http://www.horsehero.com/the-art-of-studding-with-zanie-tanswell not sure if you can see this link as i had to register and got this in my email box
 
I only ever use one stud and as small as possible, tiny road stud in front.
My farrier moans about putting holes in and insists on putting two per shoe even though I tell him I use the one stud method. He thinks I should put in two so puts two holes in.
 
If I stud in front I only have one and one small one!! But I no longer stud infront for jumping, as i believe the foot has to move a small amount
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I always use 2 behind, one small blunt one like a road stud or small rounded stud, and a larger one is necessary on the outside
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In my opinion what people need to be aware of is not how many studs to put in each foot, but rather that you shouldnt have more studs/grip in the front than the back. The principle is that if the front has more grip, it stays in the ground slightly longer than the back legs, and so there is a greater chance of the hind end slicing into the front. Therefore, I would never have two in front and one behind. Since I am usually nervous about putting two in behind because of close movement, the fronts usually only have one too.

But as someone else said, there is never a real answer. Its down to personal choice, how your horses moves, its balance etc etc.
 
I evented 2 seasons on 1 stud no problems but now have two in each foot for novice as tends to be more twisting and tighter turns than intro & PN especially in the SJing. If your horse moves straight it should have no problems with two but if it does not move straight you are better off with one.

The ground that I find two studs makes a huge difference is when the grass is wet on top but underneath its quite dry. Then you definitely notice a difference.
 
Yep, I am the same as Lec - did 2 seasons at intro and PN with one in each shoe no probs. Slipped twice this season at novice so now have 2 in each shoe.

The current 'en vogue' thinking which was told to me at the BE Coaching development team day I went to is that if your horse has a naturally straight action when it gallops, go for two, if it twists slightly in the gallop (this is as feet hit the floor), then go for one.
 
CDT reference reminds me, I did Mary King clinic at SLM in March and she was asked about studs: BTW she uses SupaStuds and loves them although wouldn't like to say how many times she does own studs
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, she said hers have one stud for Intro and PN then go to 2 for N and above (or it could've been Int and above, can't remember) as a reward!! I think she really meant exactly what lec and SC are describing
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