Oooh I'm at my wits end with my horse!

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Well, only in one way; in all others, she's an angel, so I'm not going to moan about her too much
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But....she is being so naughty in the field at the moment, I feel like banging my head against a brick wall! I have posted about this before; at the time, we wondered if it was due to the fact that they had been muckspreading in her field....but that was weeks ago, and her behaviour isnt changing. Basically, she stays out for about 20 minutes and then decides to muck around. This involves about 5 minutes galloping from end to end of the field, then dropping her head to graze for a while, then proceeding to trot up and down the fence line until someone brings her in - pausing to graze for a few seconds every now and again
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Now, she used to do this in our old livery yard - it was a bit of a 'phase' she went through. We wondered if she was lonely, and tried turning her out with the horse she was next to, and friendly with, in the yard. This only made matters worse; when she galloped, he followed, and it turned into a game of tag - which I, on the ground, did not win - and resulted in very sweaty, very stressed horses. So company was not the answer (and please, nobody keep on saying that I 'should get another horse/rescue pony/donkey/goat/sheep' etc - this is NOT the solution and would not be possible with our situation!) Anyway, the issue at the yard was 3 years ago - we've now moved her home, with our own stable and small yard, and for the past 18 months, have had no problems turning her out whatsoever. Her naughtiness has only occurred since Christmas! We're wondering if it has anything to do with her field being right next to the house; she's a canny little devil, and I've seen her peering through the living room window waiting for me to go and get her. Worth mentioning also that when I do go to bring her in, she is as quiet as a lamb, and is perfectly happy wandering around the yard on her own during the day.

I do not want to lose this battle with her, as come the summer, I'm going to be facing a situation where I have:
a) a horse that refuses to be left in the field for longer than 20 mins
b) a field so churned up by winter/spring exploits that not much grass remains for the summer.

In a way, I'm longing for it to get just a wee bit warmer, so I can turn her out rugless and leave her to get on with it. I have a feeling that if I was brave enough to let her run herself out, she would eventually settle down, as she almost does this already! Believe me when I say she is not a stressed horse; I know Ellie when she is stressed, and this by contrast is simply a situation whereby she knows if she makes enough fuss, her panicky owner is going to go and get her in for fear of her damaging herself
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She has me just where she wants me really!

Any ideas.......that dont involve changing rugs (tried and tested), companion animal (tried, tested, discounted and not currently possible) or making field accessible from stable (unfortunately not correctly situated)???? I've rambled a lot; I do apologise!
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One of mine is like this every time I turn her out (stereotypical tb mare) - I just ignore her. I now try to leave her out 24/7 and she is much more settled but I realise that I am lucky to have enough grazing to do it. My mare normally settles in an hour or so and is then fine. She is also exactly the same with or without company.

Why do you keep bringing her in if you think she is being naughty? Can you not just leave her out all day?

Congrats on the Racing Post comp by the way
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Thank you!
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I know what you mean about turning her out and leaving her, but I just panic that she's going to either do herself a mischief, or churn the field up beyond use for the summer
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Sounds like anxiety . Have u ever used the monty roberts site . They give good advice and they have ra thats can come out and help you if u need it .
 
Was it spring the last time she done this? Is she in season? Are there any other horses in earshot that she can hear? Just brainstorming.
But I'd leave her to it for a week and see if the behavior calms a bit. We also have some mares that get like this from time to time for no apparent reason. Getting her in is prob just making it worse, if thats what she is after, you are encouraging the behavior. Have you tried balls in the field? Haynets? Treat balls?
 
Thanks scotslass, I will have a look at the site! Although as I said before, she isnt stressed or upset, she is just being naughty. I've had her a long time, and can certainly tell the difference between when she's anxious or worried, and when she is simply playing me for a fool! Whenever I bring her in, there is no sign or worry or stress; she comes in as meek as a lamb, ears forward, and goes straight into the yard to munch her hay. For some reason, she just prefers the yard to the field, but it just isnt healthy!
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Why not keep her in with 20 min turn outs when you have the time e.g when mucking out or whatever. She may well get psd off with not being able to put on a 'show' that she will start to want to stay out-if you get my drift
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Was it spring the last time she done this? Is she in season? Are there any other horses in earshot that she can hear? Just brainstorming.
But I'd leave her to it for a week and see if the behavior calms a bit. We also have some mares that get like this from time to time for no apparent reason. Getting her in is prob just making it worse, if thats what she is after, you are encouraging the behavior. Have you tried balls in the field? Haynets? Treat balls?

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Brainstorming is good.....she isnt in season at the moment, although that was what I thought the problem was, initially, as she is quite mareish when in use. This has been going on since Christmas though, so I'm not sure leaving her a week will do much good LOL! There are no other horses within immediate earshot, although she had just managed to settle herself in the field the other day when someone rode past - this set her off, and I had to bring her in twenty minutes later. Havent tried treat balls, although it's a good thought; she has a Likit in the stable which she loves, so she may use a toy in the field....and I havent thought of putting some hay out, but that is also something I could try! Anything is worth a shot!
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Can i say something i had a 6 year old like this and she wasnt being naughty . It started when she was being left out till last to come in and its the fear of being on her own she hated . So when i got her in she reared .
 
Electric fence your field in half until she gets over her phase? Let her bomb around in her lil paddock nd leave her until she calms down, this meaning you still have the other half of the field for summer. You say she goes into the yard and munches her hay. Maybe put a haynet out into the field? There isn't alot of nutrients in the grass atm so maybe she is just hungry?
 
Mine has been behaving similarly this week. We moved him home and its the first time hes been out for a year. Day one he just cantered up and down the field next to the other horses.

Day two he pretty much did the same.

By day three he was eating mouthfuls in between trotting up and down.

Hes now grazing all day long and moved away from the other horses and closer to the donkeys that are meant to be his new companions (theyre in another field atm).

Im putting most of it down to insecurity about being alone. I dont think he likes being out on his own one bit.

Tbh, i ignored his running up and down (although i was cringing about the path he was making in my fields). I left him out for a full 6 hours and he spent nearly all of it running up and down. However it did chill him out and he was too tired to run as much the next day.

I wont bring him in. He has no choice but to stay out. He came in sweaty but thats his problem im afraid
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Im also going to say one more thing that is coming from my experience. Horses in the neighbouring field dont help much imo. They dont help mine. He cant get TO them and that seems to stress him more.

Im absolutly convinced Jack does it because hes craving company.. but thats just my opinion
 
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Can i say something i had a 6 year old like this and she wasnt being naughty . It started when she was being left out till last to come in and its the fear of being on her own she hated . So when i got her in she reared .

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Completely appreciate this, but Ellie isnt a young horse - I've had her since she was 5 yrs old, and she's 13 now - and most of those 8 years I have had her have been spent as a complete lone horse! She certainly isnt frightened of being alone - she's on her own in the yard and is at her happiest there, and has never suffered any kind of separation anxiety.
 
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Thanks scotslass, I will have a look at the site! Although as I said before, she isnt stressed or upset, she is just being naughty.

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Whip her for being naughty?
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Thanks scotslass, I will have a look at the site! Although as I said before, she isnt stressed or upset, she is just being naughty.

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Whip her for being naughty?
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Well, there is always that....I could go and get on her with my electric spurs also; that will teach her to gallop up and down!
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Thanks scotslass, I will have a look at the site! Although as I said before, she isnt stressed or upset, she is just being naughty.

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Whip her for being naughty?
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Well, there is always that....I could go and get on her with my electric spurs also; that will teach her to gallop up and down!
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3 words. Electric Cattle Prod.
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My boy is quite similiar - he just doesn't like being turned out. Yes, it may be more natural for them to be out - but you try telling him this! We've tried allsorts - individual turn-out, turning out in various pairings, turning out in herd ... it doesn't make a blind bit of difference! He'd rather be the only horse in, with all his friend's in the field than be turned-out with them.

He was a liability when turned out - happily jumping over anything in his way to bring himself in and would then stand in his stable or on the stable block refusing to be caught in case you dared turn him out again. Which is bad enough, but when you add into the equation that he did a suspensory ligament a few years back it becomes even more of a liability.

He's happiest when in during the winter months, although he'll get chucked out for a short time when being mucked out. In the summer, he's better and you can leave him out for most of a morning or afternoon - I think he's just a wimp that craves his homely comforts!

It may not be the 'ideal' and I have been jumped on in the past because of it - but it works for him
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OMG I have had this for 4 years now! Everytime my mare goes out she paces and sweats up till i have to get her in! I tried leaving her out shes totally frantic, foaming and its worrying incase she injures herself or gets colic! She wont go out with others as she tried to beat the hell out of them! She has others right next to her paddock still does it! She can see her stable but if the others are out she still does it! It drives me insane that in summer I can't leave her out and have a day where I don't have to muck out skip out ect GRR anyway I have a youngster that we are trying in with her so far ok but only while we are there and for an hour so god knows if we left them all day! It is a total stress this i've had for 4 yrs I can't move as it's not that easy! I now have to put her out if it's a calm day wind and rain she's much worse, just till I muck out then get her in all day she loves being in! Some days I can't get her in she won't budge she does what she likes in that sense I think it's seasonal tbh.. I have tried everything!
 
Oh kookymoose poor you! That sounds horrendous; I'm moaning after having had this for 3 months, you've had it for 4 years! I'm seriously hoping this wont last into the summer...she's always been turned out 24/7 in the past summer months, and I dont intend on letting her change this; as you say, it is nice to have a short time of no mucking out and minimal bedding costs!
 
I fully empathise with you, my old boy used to have phases like this where he'd canter up and down endlessley until someone got him in then as soon as he was in he would create merry hell until he was out again and so the cycle continued.

After having him checked to ensure nothing was physically wrong with him, I started using some Bach Flower Essences for him which worked a treat.

I would certainly advise that you have a look into this as it may assist your horse and help to settle her down. I'd also take a look at external stressors for her, has anything changed in her (or your) routine? Has she been upset by anything recently? Is this a "seasonal" thing for her? Has she had a change in her workload or feeding regime? Is anyone else new handling her? All of these things need looking at too!

Good luck!
 
Thanks healinghooves (I love your name, BTW!
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) She's on a selection of herbs, including chamomile flowers, at the moment, not that they seem to do any good! Her regime hasnt changed at all - I still do everything with her, she hasnt had a change of environment at all, her workload is relatively consistent - not heavy, but regular. Silly mare!
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My gelding is the same. Bought him as a 4yr, he'd only been off the field for two months, until then he lived out. He decided that he quite liked his stable though and five years on still refuses to stay out for more than half a day. He can't have a companion as he attacks them (very territorial); if I leave him he does himself serious damage or removes shoes. No solution I'm afraid but if you find one I'd love to know! I've resigned myself to him going out from 9am til 1pm if I'm lucky!
 
Could you section the field off into small paddocks so she can't gallop around? Also, Just wondered why you bring her in is it because you are frightened of her hurting herself or because you are worried about the fields?
If she's been on her own for a few years maybe she's bored being on her own?
 
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